Who Do You Want On the New Jersey Devils' Blueline for 2011-12?
The New Jersey Devils signed Mark Fraser to a one-way, one-year contract valued at $550,000 for the season, as reported by Tom Gulitti yesterday evening. The only remaining restricted free agents that need to be signed are Zach Parise and defenseman Maxim Noreau. With the relatively recent signing of Matt Taormina (he signed his qualifying offer after all per Gulitti) as well as Fraser, the Devils specifically have 17 defensemen under contract. Should Noreau sign a contract with the Devils, then the team will have 18 defenders on their reserve list.
Talent aside, this means the Devils have 17 to 18 defensemen who could all play in the NHL by way of contract in 2011-12. That's a lot, to put it mildly. In order to put the quantity of defenders in the system perspective, 13 different defensemen played at least one game in New Jersey last season - and that was largely because of several injuries and replacement defensemen not playing well enough so others were called up to play. I highly doubt the Devils will get to a point where they have to play that many defensemen across another season.
Since I've opened up the idea of speculating the forward lines for the upcoming season, let's look at the defense as well. Most teams use 6 defensemen in a game, and could carry a spare defender or two on their active roster during the season. Given that 12 forwards are used, 3 defensemen would be the limit in terms of extra players. Therefore, most of these defensemen will remain in Albany. What is up for debate are the fates of those who could handle a depth defenseman role, as the Devils have multiple players who could make credible cases for that spot.
So, for today's excerise, I want to know who from the current system do you want on the Devils' blueline: your top 6 and any extra defensemen (scratches) knowing what you know now. You don't need to go into their pairings or spell out who should get the most minutes if you don't want to. You can just provide a simple list of 6 to 9 defensemen. Please list them in the comments and feel free to explain your choices if you'd like to do so. I'll offer mine after the jump.
The Easy Part of the List
Andy Greene ($3,000,000), Anton Volchenkov ($4,250,000), Henrik Tallinder ($3,375,000), Colin White ($3,000,000)
The figures in parentheses are the players' respective cap hits per CapGeek. I think all four are no-brainers for whether they are on New Jersey's blueline in 2011-12. All four are being paid significant amounts of money, all four are on one-way deals, all four are experienced, and all four have played significant defensive roles in their past and last season. I don't think there's any argument that these four should and will take the majority of minutes in New Jersey next season.
The Hard Part
In The Lineup: Mark Fayne ($542,500, two-way); Matt Taormina ($550,000, two-way)
Extras (On Roster, but Not Regular): Mark Fraser ($550,000)
I chose Mark Fayne to be on the lineup since he played so well alongside Henrik Tallinder in the second half of last season. He was a pleasant surprise to stick on the New Jersey roster and held his own in the NHL in his first professional season of hockey. While I can't guarantee he'll be with Tallinder for 11-12, I would think his spot on the roster is his to lose. Especially since he has such a relatively cheap contract.
Given that this blueline has been devoid of offense, I would like to think that should give Matt Taormina an edge going into training camp. While he only played 17 games and during the John MacLean part of 2010-11, he still managed to average more shots per game than the rest of the team and averaged 3:03 of power play time per game prior to his injury. I'm not saying Taormina will be fantastic from the #6 spot or fill the need for more offense from the blueline, but he can help in both regards.
I decided to only take one extra defenseman in Mark Fraser. He's a physical player and he can rotate into the lineup for spot duty or when an upcoming game may require his services. Matthew Corrente could serve in this role, but Fraser carries the lower cap hit on a one-way deal. Since he'll be getting paid and at a lower hit than Corrente, it makes more sense to me to keep Fraser up in the NHL. Saving $110,000 may not seem like much, but given that the team could be right up against the salary cap for another season, every little bit helps.
LTIR/Albany Bound Defensemen
LTIR: Bryce Salvador ($2,900,000)
Albany Bound: Adam Larsson ($925,000), Alexander Urbom ($856,667), Eric Gelinas ($870,000), Brandon Burlon ($875,000), Matthew Corrente ($660,000), Joe Sova ($565,000), Jay Leach ($525,000), Dan Kelly ($666,666), Harry Young ($536,667)
I feel bad for thinking Bryce Salvador will be on LTIR. I truly want to see him make a reasonable comeback into hockey and succeed. However, based on what is known, he's still far away from doing so. If he is unable to play hockey by the time the season starts, then there's no other choice than to put him on long term injured reserve.
Most of the players on the Albany Bound list should be bound for Albany. Eric Gelinas, Brandon Burlon, and Joe Sova will be playing in their first season of professional hockey in 2011-12, and so they should at least start in the AHL. As far as I know, Dan Kelly and Harry Young haven't been exactly priming for a NHL spot yet so they should remain in Albany. Jay Leach needs to be in Albany if only for the blueline to have some veteran presence because it's going to be very, very young and inexperienced as-is.
There are only three players that should raise an eyebrow or two. The first is Corrente, who've I already covered. I would consider him to be the "first choice" should the Devils need to call up a defender, given his past experience. Though, the Devils could easily do so with Alexander Urbom. His entry level contract slid for two seasons so the contract begins in 2011-12 regardless of where he plays. The Devils can play him as much as they want. I think he'll benefit more being the top guy in Albany than being on the third pairing or seventh defenseman in New Jersey. But if the team needs another defender and they like what Urbom has done, then I could see Urbom leapfrog Corrente to be called up.
Then there's the 2011 first round pick Adam Larsson. Yes, he signed an entry level contract with the Devils; but I still think Skellefteå AIK is the best place for him for 2011-12. As far as I know, he could still do so with an ELC with the Devils - David Rundblad had one with Ottawa and still played for Skellefteå last season. However, I doubt Larsson signed his ELC without any performance bonuses to just go back to the SEL. He's probably expecting to play in North America in 2011-12. With a lower cap hit, the bonus-less ELC makes it (more) possible for the Devils to include Larsson in the lineup if they so choose. However, I really, really, really, really don't want the Devils to burn his entry level contract years. I would be fine with the Devils giving him no more than 9 NHL games and having play the rest of the season in Albany, which he can do even at age 18.
I do realize that I'm tabbing Albany for 9 defensemen, which would be 10 if Maxim Noreau signs with New Jersey. I'm not certain, but perhaps a few of these could be loaned out to an ECHL team? That wouldn't surprise me, and it would still have the player in New Jersey's system. I wouldn't be surprised if there was just a minor-league deal could be made to ship a defender or two to address other needs on Albany's roster, too.
But again, please notice that most of the 17 signed in the system will likely be away from the NHL roster for this coming season, short of someone breaking through or a load of injuries occurring in a relatively short time.
Your List
My list for the New Jersey Devils is Greene, Tallinder, Volchenkov, White, Fayne, and Taormina with Fraser as an extra defenseman. Now you know that, I want to know who do you want to the New Jersey Devils blueline for 2011-12? Again, please leave your lists and other comments about the Devils' defensemen in the comments. Thanks for reading.
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I think John’s list is the exact same list I would use. It puts our experienced (and expensive) guys in New Jersey along with some young stars and it gives the most important prospects some good playing time down in Albany.
I agree, John’s list is pretty much the same as what I would have. I noticed you didn’t mention Mark Fayne until the bottom of the post, under “Your List.” I believe that Fayne is a lock for the starting top five based on his performances last season unless he doesn’t continue what he’s shown he can do.
I would also agree on Fraser and Taormina being 6 and 7. Although I believe that based on the team’s standing midseason, I could see Larsson on being called up pending on his development.
correction
sorry about the first part about Fayne, just noticed he is mentioned there, but I mistook the last name for Fraser’s.
that resolves my puzzlement then.
When Bryce Salvador Returns
Do you keep two scratched defenders on the NHL roster or send a player to Albany? Assuming this happens before training camp, you only have last season’s statistics to go on. To me this would imply that either Taormina or Fraser would be sent to Albany in favor of Fayne (at least to start the season) to make room for Salvador. However, to avoid losing Fraser on waivers I can see Taormina being the casualty here.
Ignoring the salary cap implications of Bryce Salvador returning, and the risk of putting Mark Fraser on waivers, I would be happy to see Volchenkov, Tallinder, Greene, White, Salvador, Fayne and Taormina stay on the NHL roster. I’d be extra happy if we could move one or more of our defenders to another team for some draft picks (since we are almost full of players organization-wide).
Matt Corrente and Mark Fraser have had ample time to prove they can play in the NHL and neither of them has been exceptionally impressive. Maybe it’s because injuries have hampered the development of both players. Still, they both seem to fill the same role on the blue line and I don’t see the harm in shipping one of them for an offensive prospect or draft pick(s).
I think if Larsson comes in and like Tyler Myers did two years ago proves he’s playing too well to send down, he should stay with the team even at the cost of burning a year off his ELC.The Devils have shown it isn’t that big a concern to the organization as it is to some readers here when they did just that with Josefson last year.
What I envision happening, and please this is just speculative fantasy on my part is this…
Salvador I too see going to LTIR. Then there’s Fayne who benefited from having Tallinder as his linemate. That’s what Tallinder does. He’s a solid d-man who gives room for his partner to do what he does best who also then helps mop up any mistakes that may occur as a result. In essence he’s the best sort of player to stick with a rookie D-man.
Lemaire I believe tried to do this last season with Greene as well, but with a much less talented younger partner in Salmela.
I’d love to see Fayne possibly moved over to play with Greene and have Volchenkov and White kept together as the team’s shutdown. I’d love to see Larson then paired with Tallinder and at the very least give him training camp, pre-season and those 9 games a to show if he’s to beneficial to send back to Albany.
The other slots? I’d love Taormina to win a job and build on the 17 games he played last season. And that makes seven.
BUT…
I think NJ might carry 8 D-men. The obvious 8th in my scenario would be Fraser because he’s on a one-way contract, but hear me out as to why it may serve the Devils to have that extra guy be Corrente.
Someone needs to get traded. The team has way to many defensemen, most of whom are still prospects. They’re all needlessly in each other’s way. Corrente is a former 1st round pick… let him be the extra man and hopefully that may help inflate his value and serve as better bargaining chip then having to dip into guys like Gelinas, Burlon, Urbom or Merrill. This same scenario happened with Bergfors. Former 1st rounder pick, took a long while to crack the team… when he did, showed some value and was subsequently traded in a package for… well you know who.
I’d love to see Fayne possibly moved over to play with Greene and have Volchenkov and White kept together as the team’s shutdown. I’d love to see Larson then paired with Tallinder and at the very least give him training camp, pre-season and those 9 games a to show if he’s to beneficial to send back to Albany.
I’d like to see that too, but I think it’s too much of a risk to do it out of the gate, but rather have him in Albany for the begining of the season and calling him up later on as the season progresses and as long as his play is great there.
I have to disagree with two points here. First, I am not convinced that your pairings (Greene-Fayne, Volchenkov-White, Tallinder-Larsson) would be fruitful. There’s no reason to assume that Tallinder and Larsson will play well together, especially if you consider that Tallinder mops up mistakes. Larsson may be inexperienced in the NHL, but what he needs is a solid two-way partner, not a mentor on the ice. Larsson-Greene makes as much sense to me as Larsson-Tallinder but without having to break up Tallinder-Fayne. Greene’s high minutes imply that he can hold his own just as much as Tallinder does. I do agree with keeping White-Volchenkov together.
Secondly, I would ship Matt Corrente now. He’s worth more as an unproven prospect than he will be as a flopped prospect. Last season he got limited games because of injury and the season before he was playing the wing on the fourth line, not playing defense. His value is higher now than it will be in a year or even two. Mark Fraser is probably worth a third or fourth round pick, but not much more. He may not even get claimed if he goes on waivers.
Larsson may be inexperienced in the NHL, but what he needs is a solid two-way partner, not a mentor on the ice. Larsson-Greene makes as much sense to me as Larsson-Tallinder but without having to break up Tallinder-Fayne. Greene’s high minutes imply that he can hold his own just as much as Tallinder does. I do agree with keeping White-Volchenkov together.
Did I miss something in the off-season where Tallinder stopped being “a solid two-way partner?” Call me crazy but “solid two-way partner” and “Tallinder” may as well be interchangeable for all intents and purposes.
And how do you know what Larsson needs? Have you seen him play and evaluated his game? Probably not. These are all paper bound fantasy scenarios and as such why not pair the rookie with the defender who has now twice shown he works incredibly well with rookies.
bergfors showed in his final AHL season that he was definitely worthy of being an NHLer. it’s easier to project forwards. corrente showed some offensive flair last season, but he was a disaster in the D zone.
8 defenders means you’re kicking two of pelley, janssen, palmieri, tedenby, or zharkov off the team. sure you want 8 D?
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I agree with all but one thing, and that is the TAO/Larsson part. Taormina got a two way contract and I think if he doesn’t impress while Larsson does, Larsson will get the job as a 3rd pairing D-man over Taormina. I just think that it would make sense that way. If Taormina does get the job and Larsson gets sent into the minors to play first pairing minutes then hell also be the first one called up to the club when needed. I don’t think this organization cares about burning ELCS as they did with Josefson like Zelepukin said.
After the 4 you mention I’d like to see more of Tao, I think Fayne and Corrente have spots to lose in training camp pre-season. The wild card is AL and where hes at. I could see the scenario of him starting the season up; call it a mini audition and then see if this kid can play or not. If he flops I don’t think you’ve ruined him but if he can play and provide some offense for this team as a 2nd pairing or 5th D then lets play him at this bargain rate. If hes not ready then by all means keep Fraser as your spare 8th D.
Same group of guys.
Definitely gives us our best chance to win. Enough said.
does anybody know who will need to clear waivers to be sent down this season? this will be a factor in determining who plays where.
i agree with your d lineup john. i don’t necessarily want larsson here, but if he’s impressing in the AHL, he can be called up.
corrente is in a weird spot, he’s waiver-eligible but how many teams out there are looking to pick up a guy like corrente on waivers? i’d send him down, don’t really see what use he has, and i don’t see how he beats out taormina or larsson for a spot. i don’t think it’d be a big loss if someone claimed him on waivers, either.
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i’d like to see Salvador back in the lineup. i realize this will create an even worse logjam in defense and cap issues. but we seemed to be missing his composure in our own end last year and until someone can step into the lineup and give us this, he’s one of our top defenseman. of course this is assuming he picks up right where he left off…
if Sal comes back i’d like to see Corrente and Fraser traded. Both have proved that they can be third pairing/scratch players but we have plenty of players who could provide this with more potential upside.
here’s my list:
volchenkov, tallinder, white, greene, salvador, taormina, fayne and urbom, larsson or gelinas
it would be nice to get clarkson or zubs contract off the books too…
I agree with John’s list, though I disagree about Adam Larsson. I strongly believe he should be playing here in the US. If nothing else, I think he should adjust to North American hockey. I would prefer it be with the big show if he can hack it. From what I can tell, hes comparable to Victor Hedman, who was able make the same transition at the same age. I suppose training camp and a better look at him will answer this for us.
by Chris Calabrese on Jul 27, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
Good list John. Can’t argue with those choices.
However, I prefer the idea of Larsson in the AHL next season than the SEL. Not only does it give the Devils a chance to call him up and see how he does in the NHL when necessary, it gives him a chance to adapt to the North American style of play. Although, in reality who am I to say what is best for his development?
At any rate, you and I seem to be in agreement that Larsson in the AHL or SEL (at least to start with) would be more beneficial to him than throwing him into the starting lineup in Newark in October.
I’m going to be a little different here, only because I saw Urbom a few times in Albany and watched him improve. My top six is Greene, Volchenkov, Tallinder, White, Fayne, and Urbom. I want to carry two extra defenders, Taormina and Fraser. The two forwards I would dump out of the list Triumph gave in an earlier post would be Pelley and Janssen. I know they just signed Janssen, but I see no use for him at all in the NHL with Boulton the resident fighter. I guess the pairings would be:
Volchenkov-Greene
Tallinder-Fayne
White-Urbom
I don’t see why everyone assumes Taormina makes the team. In fact, if you follow the Devils logic over the years, there is no reason, unless he is great in camp, to even think he makes it to the final cut. While he played well at the start of the season, but by no means great. No one did. And then he got hurt. Not his fault. But, what it did, which I have yet to see anyone say here, is freeze his progress. Playing less than 20 games last year, was in a way, a year of wasted development.
He has just 103 professional games since leaving Providence in 2008, and has not skated in game last 3/4th of a season. That sounds like a trip to the AHL to me. His smallish size, skill-set (more finesse than solid defensively) are most un-Devil like.
Add in guaranteed contracts, Mark Fraser’s previous relationship with Peter DeBoer, and I think that Taormina is the odd man out.
Tallinder, Greene, Volchenkoff, White, Fayne, Larsson, and Fraser are the seven defensemen who break camp, with Urbom the first call-up.
Chip
Taormina is the first devils’ d in forever who actually shoots the puck. the last devils’ d to average more than 2 shots per game was scott niedermayer. not saying that taormina is at all in that class, but he has offensive sense, and he belongs on the team.
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Considering White and Volchenkov are both locks for being hurt for a decent amount of games I’m not comfortable with this defensemen group at all. Lets just hope we don’t lose two top 6 guys at the same time.
what teams are in a better spot? NJ has two D knocking on the NHL’s door who don’t make the team in john’s construct. if you have a veteran like andreas lilja, you know he sucks – is the worry that someone like urbom will suck worse? because i don’t think that’s likely.
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It’s almost too hard to call right now. With Salvador a question mark (but it is entirely too early to assume he is LTIR) and the limited experience of Taormina/Corrente the 5-7 slots could be a crapshoot. My list would be:
Tallinder
Volchenkov
White
Fayne
Greene
Larsson
Corrente
With Taormina being waiver exempt (and the possibility of Noreau going to Europe) he might start the year in Albany.
I don’t see the Devils putting Corrente on waivers (since he can now be claimed) otherwise why bother giving him a QO to begin with.
I don’t think Fraser will be on the team in September
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I don’t see the Devils putting Corrente on waivers (since he can now be claimed) otherwise why bother giving him a QO to begin with.
now that’s silly. who’s to say anyone is going to claim corrente? claiming someone on waivers means basically carving out a roster spot for him.
plus, signing him is a freeroll. if you don’t qualify him, you lose him anyway. if you qualify him, he gets put on waivers, and gets claimed, well nothing ventured you’re still in the same spot.
fraser was much better than corrente – leaps and bounds better.
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They could still retain him even if they didn’t QO him. If Corrente is going to be sent down (therefore not in the plans) then let him go, especially with a logjam at Albany.
Leaps and bounds? That’s silly AND folly. You just broke your arm reaching with that one.
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I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say Fraser’s better than Corrente. I don’t think he’s much better, but there’s a reason why he’s played more games in the NHL than Corrente by now.
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by John Fischer on Jul 28, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
They could still retain him even if they didn’t QO him. If Corrente is going to be sent down (therefore not in the plans) then let him go, especially with a logjam at Albany.
just because he’s being sent down does not mean he’s in the plans. and a logjam in albany is one of them good problems. letting a waiver eligible player go because he might be taken on waivers is terrible asset management.
Leaps and bounds? That’s silly AND folly. You just broke your arm reaching with that one.
leaps and bounds isn’t fair, but corrente was a 47.5% fenwick player and fraser was 51.8%. and they had similar zone starts and similar competition/teammates.
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