The Newest New Jersey Devil: Trent Hunter
The big news today coming out of New Jersey was that the Devils traded Brian Rolston to the New York Islanders for Trent Hunter. That's right - Brian Rolston got traded. Look out for unicorns. He waived his no-trade clause - according to Tom Gulitti, Rolston did so without complaint given he was (deservedly) waived last season - to go the Isles. While Lou Lamoriello told Gulitti that this was a "business decision" and not necessarily cap-related, I think of this deal as Rolston for Hunter and the Right to Sign Parise Without Breaking the Cap Ceiling or Hoping Bryce Salvador Goes on LTIR. Yes, even my thoughts are verbose.
I also think this trade is a winner for both sides. The Devils obtain a right-shooting right winger and now have $7.96 million in cap space according to CapGeek which includes Salvador being active. The Islanders are closer to the salary cap floor and added a veteran winger to their roster without committing to anyone long term. Rolston even gets to stay in the general area instead of having to pack up and move across the country. I'm not the only one who think it was a mutually beneficial trade. Sean Leahy at Puck Daddy said it helps both sides. For the other side's perspective, Dominik at Lighthouse Hockey came to the same conclusion as well. So if you want a second and third opinion, there you are. Incidentally, Kevin explained why he really liked the move. Though I wouldn't go so far as to say he's better than David Clarkson or that this means he's gone.
That being said, I want to focus on Trent Hunter, the player the Devils got in return from the Islanders. Here are the basics from his player profile at NHL.com. He's 6'3" and 217 pounds; he's 31; and he plays right wing and has a right handed shot. On the injury front, he's coming off a torn MCL in his left knee, though Gulitti did tweet that he's been cleared by doctors - so it should be expected that he'll play in 2011-12. Check that - do expect it because Lou said so. Therefore, it's important to take a closer look at what Hunter has done to see what he can bring to the table other than saving the Devils a little over $3 million on the cap. Let's learn about the newest New Jersey Devil after the jump.
The Basic Stats
I pulled the following numbers from NHL.com, which is a good resource as any for basic stats like goals, points, shots, and minutes. Let's look at his production first. I'm focusing on the last four seasons played so they fall in line with the advanced statistics I'll highlight later.
| T. HUNTER |
GP | G | A | PTS | PIM | SOG | S% | SOG/GP |
| 2007-08 | 82 | 12 | 29 | 41 | 43 | 222 | 5.4 | 2.71 |
| 2008-09 | 55 | 14 | 17 | 31 | 41 | 154 | 9.1 | 2.80 |
| 2009-10 | 61 | 11 | 17 | 28 | 18 | 159 | 6.9 | 2.61 |
| 2010-11 | 17 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 23 | 30 | 3.3 | 1.76 |
Hunter will not be confused with being a big time scorer any time soon. In his last full, injury-free season, Hunter achieved the second highest point total in his career. His best came in 2003-04 in his rookie season where he put up 25 goals and 51 points. Still, based on this, I wouldn't expect him to put up much more than around 30 points depending on his health. At least he stays out of the box.
Health is probably the biggest concern surrounding Hunter. In each of the last three seasons, Hunter has been undercut by injuries which has limited his production and use. I'm not talking about little things that cause players to miss a few games, I mean significant injuries. In 2008-09, he broke his left ankle in early March which ended his season 17 games earlier than the team. In 2009-10, Hunter had a chest injury that caused him to miss 15 games from October to early November. Later in that season, he missed another 6 due to an "upper body" injury in March. Last season, he tore his MCL in his left knee near the end of November, causing him to miss 61 games. If you want a reason why the Islanders were willing to give up Hunter in exchange for Rolston, this is probably the biggest one. It's unclear whether he'll be even be able to play regularly.
Based on his minutes, the Islanders have decreased his role somewhat from season to season - specifically on special teams.
| T. HUNTER | TOI/GP | Shift/GP | ES TOI/GP | PP TOI/GP | SH TOI/GP |
| 2007-08 | 18:12 | 22.7 | 12:44 | 2:29 | 2:58 |
| 2008-09 | 16:22 | 20.7 | 11:50 | 3:30 | 1:01 |
| 2009-10 | 15:10 | 19.2 | 12:06 | 2:53 | 0:10 |
| 2010-11 | 12:39 | 18.2 | 11:18 | 1:13 | 0:07 |
I should point out that Hunter probably got so much time in 2007-08 as the team was pretty awful and hurting for guys who can do something. As the Isles added pieces from season to season, there wasn't as much of a need for Hunter to do so much on special teams. Therefore, his penalty killing time dropped; and it seems to me that Hunter wasn't as necessary on last season's power play. Of course, he only played 17 games last season - it's possible that he could have received more time had he been around to get his game going.
Still, the even strength ice time per game is indicative that Hunter is really a third-line winger. He's not going to take top minutes, but he's not limited like a fourth liner. The past seasons of power play time suggest that he could be an option there, but I wouldn't count on him to play a lot there unless he proves himself worthy in 2011-12.
The Advanced Stats (with Special Guests)
Let's focus on that even strength situation - the most common one in hockey. Behind the Net is a powerful resource run by the venerable and terrifying Gabe Desjardens; and one of it's many features is the ability to filter stats across multiple seasons for multiple players. I decided to use this feature to look at several advanced statistics in Hunter's last four NHL seasons with those same stats for Brian Rolston and David Clarkson along side them. It's not so much for comparison purposes as it is putting Hunter in perspective. Rolston is the player he was traded for, and Clarkson could be seen as a similar player to Hunter in terms of role.
Here's the link to all the advanced stats - rather than dump it into an unwieldy table, it's all in here. Here are four points that I think are important from these numbers.
1. Hunter didn't play against really weak competition. Only in his injury-shortened did he have a negative quality of competition, and even in that season, his Corsi Relative QoC (a.k.a. the relative Corsi of his opposition) was positive and in line with other seasons with higher QualComp values. He's not someone you want out there against the tough competition, but he doesn't need protection either. Sure, he was outscored in three of his last seasons at evens when he was on the ice; however, he was also on some pretty heinous Isles teams too.
2. Hunter usually played with some pretty good teammates given the QualTeam values he had. Interestingly, his worst came in hat 2007-08 season. Perhaps that would partially explain how he got outscored by 12 goals?
3. Furthering the point that Hunter wasn't protected as an Islander. Only once in the last four seasons did he have an offensive zone start percentage above 50, which was 50.1% to be precise. I wouldn't call him a defensive specialist, as he only was well below 50% back in 2007-08; but he has been used in those situations more than offensive ones.
4. Hunter has maintained good relative Corsi and on-ice Corsi values. Not great numbers, but he's been above zero with the exception of last season. You can argue that with a 47.4% offensive zone start percentage and a -0.94 on-ice Corsi rate, that might get him up above zero. Still, the point is that Hunter hasn't been a net negative for the Isles in the possession game; and in 2008-09 and 2009-10, the Isles were far better off in terms of possession with Hunter on the ice than without.
Just a quick comparison: The advanced numbers show Hunter generally took on tougher competition than Clarkson, and his team enjoyed more positive possession when he was on the ice than Clarkson. Of course, it could be argued that both players were used for different purposes, despite playing similar minutes. Rolston played many more minutes than Hunter, and his 2010-11 season makes him stand out from Hunter significantly. One could take that as evidence that playing with great players on a line that works quite well and can match up against power makes one look stronger by these metrics. Whether you do or not, it's clear to me that since Rolston has played much more at evens than Hunter in these past four seasons, Rolston has had and will likely have a larger role than Hunter on a team. Basically, the two aren't really comparable like Clarkson and Hunter.
A Take from the Other Side
In the comments of Kevin's post about the trade, Dominik of Lighthouse Hockey had this insight into Hunter.
think Hunter performs to the best of his abilities and health. Unfortunately, it’s the health thing that has constantly limited him (well, that and speed).
He’s a very smart two-way player — he was used on the PK not because "the Isles had no one better" (as someone said above), but because he’s a smart defensive hockey player. Problem is the injuries slow down an already slow guy. I had real reservations about whether he could rebound from the latest knee injury. It may be worth a shot though, since at full health Hunter fits the Devils "smart, not flashy" profile.
This is instructive of both a positive and a negative. The positive is that he's an intelligent player - and as such he has received special teams duty and while that has been cut, his even strength minutes really haven't. On top of that, he's not taking a lot of penalties while he plays his game. The negative is a rather important one: he's slow and coming off a significant injury to his knee. It belies that faster players can be a problem, and so Peter DeBoer will have to factor that in for matchups. While the doctors may clear him, the possibility of Hunter losing a step is worrisome.
So What to Make of Hunter
If an animal walks like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and displays other duck-like tendencies, then it's probably a duck. Hunter's basic numbers make him look like a third-liner, his minutes at even strength are indicative of a third-liner, and his advanced stats are indicative of a third-liner, where he has a somewhat favorable comparison to a third-line caliber player on the Devils. Therefore, it's fair to say that Trent Hunter is a third-line right winger.
Is he worth $2 million? Despite the advanced stats at even strength, I'm not so sure. His past injuries are certainly worrisome. It's hard to justify a contract if you're not able to play. While he's been cleared to play, he's coming off a significant torn MCL in his knee; and it's not unreasonable to think that a slow player will now be slower. On top of all of this, Hunter's not going to break out any time soon in terms of scoring. At age 31, he is who he is, a two-way third line winger who can bring some positives to the Devils but nothing gamebreaking. As Dominik says, he's smart, not really flashy; and the advanced stats belie that he has some use. I'm not fretting over the 17 games he did play last season; just that he only got to play 17 games.
Short of reverting to his 2008-09 season or earlier, $2 million per year may be a bit much for his services. It's not a heinous contract, though. If - and I understand this is a big if - he can be healthy and he hasn't lost too much of a step, then I don't have too much of a complaint over Hunter. I would have a similar feeling about it as I do for David Steckel's deal - a little overpaid, but not enough to get really worked up over. Plus, should Hunter to prove he can play over a full season, it would make it easier to trade him if necessary. It's not like his contract is a Rolston-like albatross; but it's a palatable contract just in case if it comes to that.
Going back full circle to the trade itself, I do really like the trade and ultimately, I don't think Trent Hunter is a bad return. That said, I wouldn't expect Hunter to be anything more than he is and I would hope he can avoid injuries for at least a season and not get too much slower coming off the torn MCL in his knee.
That's my take on Trent Hunter. I want to know your thoughts about Trent Hunter now that you read all this. Do you have a better idea of what he can bring to the table? Do you agree he can be a useful third line winger or do you think his services aren't that good? Do you think the Devils will benefit from having Hunter on the team, or do you think they didn't really need someone like him? Is there anything I missed? Please leave your thoughts about Trent Hunter and what he can do for the Devils in the comments. Thanks for reading.
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My favorite Trent Hunter moment
Does anyone remember Mike Mottau falling in his butt, Trent Hunter going around him, stopping in the goal crease, having what felt like 2 full minutes to fake out Marty before scoring-short handed?
God! I still hate Mottau!!!!!!
by Magictony on Jul 28, 2011 8:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
... is my least favorite (and there's sooo many) Mike Mottau moments.
yeah I was at that game… it turned out to be the lone goal of a pretty boring tilt… Still irks me… I need to let it go. LOL.
by Rich Andruska on Jul 28, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite Trent Hunter moment was when he flew in on a unicorn and made (most of) Rolston’s cap hit disappear
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by awesomodynamo on Jul 28, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
you hate him as much as me?!
awesome. do people realize he was helping the other team beat us, more often than not? i wonder. rolston for a ham sandwich would have sufficed, we need the space money and player-wise. great soldier, but definitely time to move on with the youth
taste my blintzkrieg!
Anyone thinking about how this all effects the PK units?
After reading Bourne’s tirade on why he hates penalty killing, we know have 4 bottom 6 players who can penalty kill. I wonder what effect (hopefully positive) this will have on Zajac and Elias in terms of conserving energy through out a game.
BTW
It’s good to see Zelepukin so active again. During the season, I think he goes into hibernation; only to appear in summers. But, as always, love the commentary.
I have respect for most sports fans with 2 exceptions: NY Ranger fans who grew up in New Jersey, and Dallas Cowboy fans who can't name the capital of Texas.
I think between Pelley and Zharkov, while they may be on the roster, they will be frequent healthy scratches.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jul 29, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting anything back in return for Rolston is a good move for us...
not that I’m hating on Rolston… I always liked him as a player… It was a great signing when we got him… he had scored 30+ goals in the previous 3 seasons with Lemaire and the Wild… So it was fair to expect similar things when he came here to a similar style of team. Of course, the fans also expected it and when they witnessed a $5 mil paperweight gliding around on the ice for 3 years… needless to say we weren’t happy. I’m sure the injuries that he had were more of an effect than most fans will ever know… I know he complained at times that the coaches didn’t use him properly until the 2nd half of last year… But when he was placed on top lines he generally didn’t produce. His previously deadly shot from the point on the PP also looked weak and inaccurate. We were all rightly dissappointed… I’m glad he will get the shot he wants with the Islanders…
I think this article’s assessment of Hunter is accurate and not really news. This is the kind of player everyone knows he is. And it’s obvious that barring injury he could be valuable… as well as only being slightly overpaid… It would be great to see him eat up PK minutes that wear down more skilled players, but I dunno how much time he’s gonna see… We had two great penalty killers for years in Madden and Pando and once they lost a step they stopped being effective on the PK. My guess is that he’ll sink down to the 4th line in the 2nd half of the season as our young good crop of forwards develop.
Hope his knee is ready
And Hunter can play a whole bunch on the PK. I know how good Zach is overall and how he is a capable penalty-killer. But I do not want to see him nor Kovalchuk on the PK, allow them to focus on the Offensive.
Hunter’s demonstrated pretty decent hands in the past and a knack for scoring big goals against the Devils if I remember correctly, but I expect him to play a fourth line role. I think Clarkson gets the chance to take Rolston’s spot in the top 9, and I very much like the fact we have some options with right-shooting RWers now.
I’m thinking lines of:
Parise-Zajac-Tedenby
Kovalchuk-Elias-Zubrus
Henrique-Josefson-Clarkson
Boulton-Steckel-Hunter
with Pelley as the extra forward and Palmieri, Zharkov, Janssen in Albany.
I just have a hunch that this opens up space for Henrique as the #3 LW. Palmieri was good at times but I’m not convinced either of them belong in the top 6. Nor do I think Clarkson belongs there either, so that leaves no real good spot for Palmieri to slide into. I think Zubrus is a better fit for Kovalchuk and Elias, and Kovalchuk will get some extra shifts taking Henrique’s place with Josefson and Clarkson. Just a hunch, I’m not saying I think Henrique is better than Palmieri based on the one game we saw him play.
Boulton-Steckel-Hunter is a solid 4th line, in my opinion. Overpaid, yes, but trustworthy to not get killed by the opposition’s top line and to take defensive zone draws. I like Zharkov and could definitely justify him playing on the 4th line but I don’t know, maybe he just needs to take a step back and learn to put the biscuit in the basket on Albany’s top two lines.
I agree with the Clarkson move here.
But:
Zharkov > Hunter on that 4th line RW roll
I hope Henrique can make the team. But I don’t see Palmieri going Albany and personally I think he is slighty better the Tedenby at this time.
But I don’t see Palmieri going Albany and personally I think he is slighty better the Tedenby at this time
WOW! Really? Not to denigrate Palmieri at all, but Tedenby has already shown some brilliance.
Think they play differently. Tedenby is small but fast. He has to be brilliant with the puck to survive cause he isn’t going to out muscle you. So yeah I agree. There have been some WOW moments with him on some of his goals and plays. But I think there have been a equal amount of times he has looked bad.
While Palmieri I don’t think has dazzled. Is just a bit more rounded at this point.
It is to early. I’m looking forwarded to seeing them both in training camp. But based on last season. If I had to pick one or the other for my 12th forward spot. Tedenby would be the scratch.
I don’t know. It seems most think Tedenby is a lock to make the team. I’m not so sure. But that goes for Palmieri also.
zharkov is waiver-eligible and sending him down seems like foolishness. the devils are definitely planning to go with a 23 man roster IMO.
zharkov has been a pro for 5 years now and has not been a prolific scorer at any level. it’s time to focus on what he can do – drive play and set up others.
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LIne of the year John, easily.
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I must be in the minority that hopes Hunter doesn’t play much at all.
Last thing the team needs is a slow bottom six forward and the team
has plenty of good penalty killers.
Everyone touts how good Zharkov is defensively. I’d rather see him with fourth line minutes.
Plus I still think Clarkson is better.
Dominik From Lighthouse Hockey had this to say on Hunter
The problem is Hunter’s foot speed has never been high, and it’s made worse by a series of injuries. A knee injury requiring surgery ended his 2010-11 season, so I wouldn’t even make a bet on how well he’ll recover to whatever 100% is at age 31. I’m almost expecting a buyout, although Hunter is a good enough two-way player that if he does recover, he’ll fit in with the Devils.
I was out for a while, so I couldn’t add this to the post /shakes fist at self for lack of smartphone
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 28, 2011 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
Good trade
I like this one. Both teams get what they need.
Rolston is an upgrade for the Isles, and gets them closer to the cap floor.
Hunter has some issues with staying healthy, but keep in mind that’s become a given for anyone in an Islanders jersey as of late. He’s a solid third liner otherwise. That plus the cap room for paying Zach is a good deal.
by TheAnswerMinus12 on Jul 28, 2011 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
Though I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s better than David Clarkson or that this means he’s gone.
Are you talking about Brian Rolston or Trent Hunter?
Given the context around the quote and the fact that the post is primarily focused about Trent Hunter given the title and all the stats about him, then it’s about Hunter.
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by John Fischer on Jul 28, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that you say it I can see how I misread it, but I read the sentence a few times and still wasn’t sure.. Since the paragraph starts talking about Hunter, but then shifts to Rolston for a couple of sentences, and then moves on to the trade in general. When I read the last sentence, I wasn’t sure if it referred to Rolston or Hunter because, between the two, Rolston was the last one to be the subject of a sentence in the paragraph. But I get it now.
by Dr. Witticism on Jul 29, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Trent Hunter
While Hunter’s scoring stats are not great, though they were good in his rookie year, you have to factor in the team he played for.
During most of his nine seasons the Isles were basically inept, and only in the past couple of seasons have they shown any improvement. That said I saw him as a steady and reliable player who has good hands. He doesn’t make many mistakes on the ice. Playing on a team as talented as the Devils will allow him to play to his strengths in whatever role he’s called on to play. He replaces Brian Rolston who is a defensive specialist, and that might be the role that Lou sees for him.
I think he has a strong work ethic, the kind the Devils look for. It also seems to be the ingredient that coach DeBoer looks for in his players. If he’s used properly I think this could turn out to be a positive for the Devs, and a cap saver to boot.
Hmmm
I am a fan of the trade, but it raises a question to me:
what do we do now that we have 2 right wingers that may best be suited on the 3rd line? Does this mean Clarkson gets trusted with 2nd line minutes (if anyone can get the best out of him, it’s probably DeBoer)? Does Hunter go down to the 4th line? Does Clarkson get 4th line minutes? Does Kevin’s wish come true and we should start helping Clarkson look up house rentals in Winnipeg or Colorado?
I would have been happier with juan tuberes cause now we hav 2 get rid of hunter
by ALECDK on Jul 29, 2011 2:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
winning ... in so many levels
obviously – cap space for us. Chance for Rolly – I’m guessing he was not gonna get Elias to center him this year, especialy if JJ is not ready to be 2C, so he will have better situation with Islanders. Chance for Clarkson – he could be moving up there.
Truly an amazing trade. Cap relief, where we didn’t have to give anything away to get it and we got back a legit NHL player who plays a position we needed depth at. PDB will now have a roster with an actual depth chart @ RW where there will now be jobs to be competed for. In no paticuliar order Zubrus, Clarkson, Palmieri, Hunter, Jannsen, Teddy.
I’m really excited for PDB as he’ll be able to actually construct 3rd and 4th lines with some purpose and direction and not just filled with internships and lets go get to the concessions until Kovy or ZP get out there again. Good luck to BR on the island and what was the story with that winking on camera after interviews anyway? I hope it was for his Grandma or Mom ’cause it was just creepy otherwise.
I don’t think it was a bad deal, we got rid of a big cap hit we needed to remove, and got a good enough player with not so much potential depending on health and added some depth at right wing, which we needed. I think that he may be able to produce for us depending on a few factors, and overall this was a great trade. Mistake me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think that theres much information on the conditional pick, could somebody elaborate please?
I think it was an ok deal for both side’s. I really would have liked to see what Rolston could have done during the first few games of the season. It just seemed like he picked it up after being put on waivers. Then again, I live in Greece, hardly see any games, but have the radio, so I dunno..lol…but signing Parise is by far more priority than seeing what he could have done, so…..
Everyone mentions Hunter’s health, but he looked awful to me for the stretch of games that he played at the beginning of last season…advanced stats be damned! You don’t know exactly when a certain player will decline – I’d wonder if Hunter’s hit the steep decline phase of his career already, given he’s well into his 30’s now. I mean, does Snow dump anyone decent at $2 million to do Lou the favor of taking Rolston’s contract?

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