Reviewing the Goals Allowed by Martin Brodeur: October 2010
Last summer, I took on the large task of reviewing every single goal allowed by Martin Brodeur both in the 2009-10 regular season and playoffs. I wanted to see what goals allowed were really his fault, and which ones were not. I wanted to see where he got beaten. I wanted to get an idea of how pucks were getting past Brodeur. The summary of my findings can be found right here. Ultimately, I came away with more knowledge about what to expect. That a goaltender can make mistakes, but they aren't as often as we may think it to be.
On that note, I wanted to see how it turned out with this past season - a very poor 2010-11 season for the New Jersey Devils. They did not make the playoffs and they allowed 21 more goals in 10-11 than in 09-10. What went wrong? Were these goals any different? Given that Martin Brodeur didn't play the majority of this past season, I started by looking at the 68 allowed by Johan Hedberg. In that summary, I came to a similar conclusion - the vast majority of goals Moose allowed weren't his fault. By including an additional count of skater errors, I actually found there were more goals allowed where someone in front of Hedberg messed up as opposed to goals allowed where Hedberg alone made a bad play.
This leaves me with the 127 allowed by Martin Brodeur. The same questions abound for a goaltender who isn't getting any younger, suffered some injuries, and put up some pretty ugly numbers. Hedberg actually was the statistically better goaltender on the Devils last season, but was Brodeur truly getting worse? As done with Hedberg earlier this summer and Brodeur last summer, I am taking another look at each of the 127 goals allowed in 2010-11 to get a more detailed answer.
I'm starting with October, where Brodeur gave up the most goals out of any other month he played in last season. That's a lot of failure, but how much of it can really be put at Brodeur's skates alone? Let's find out after the jump.
About the Review
The main thing I'm looking for in this review are "soft goals," those goals against that should have been stopped by the goaltender. Here's how I am defining a soft goal. The goalie must have seen the shot coming; the shot was not deflected or change otherwise in motion; the goalie was in position to actually make the stop; and the goaltender made an uncharacteristic mistake that led to the goal. If all were true, then I deemed the goal as "soft." In fact, the very last bit alone can make the difference between a soft goal or not (e.g. first goal against by Hedberg).
I also want to highlight the last column in the following list: Skater Error. Did a Devils skater do something seriously wrong on the play that led to the goal? If so, their name (or names) end up on the chart. I could be picky and call them out for every goal, but I'm only highlighting who's actions or lack thereof contributed to the goal against. There will be goals where multiple skaters screw up, so you may see more than one name. I'm tracking this to see who was commonly at fault, assuming it means anything. As with the goals against themselves, feel free to discuss this too.
Lastly, I have provided links to the video I looked at for each goal from NHL.com. These links will auto-play the video, so be forewarned. Now enjoy an incredibly long list because 31 goals allowed in a month is quite a lot.
The 31 Goals Allowed by Martin Brodeur in October 2010: A Chart
| Date | GA# | Where Beaten? | GA Description | Soft Goal? | Video Link | Skater Error |
| 10/8/2010 | 1 | Low, past right pad | Ribiero takes puck in transition, threads pass across slot to Morrow for one-timer. Brodeur slides in desparation, but the shot goes in far post | No | Link | |
| 10/8/2010 | 2 | Low, over his glove | Brodeur stops Neal shot, Eriksson is at the crease all alone with rebound and chips puck over Brodeur's outstretched glove. | No | Link | Tallinder |
| 10/8/2010 | 3 | Low, past right pad | Turnover by Greene leads to Neal, he throws it into the slot for Richards to one-time it past Brodeur's right pad. | No | Link | Greene |
| 10/8/2010 | 4 | High, over glove | Greene turnover creates 2-on-1 rush led by Eriksson. He takes it to left dot and fires it high shortside over Brodeur's glove. OTGA | No | Link | Greene |
| 10/9/2010 | 5 | High, over glove | Carlson fires a laser to the top left corner using Fraser as a screen from 50' away | Yes | Link | |
| 10/9/2010 | 6 | High, over blocker | Fleischmann alone to left of slot on cycle, one-times Semin's pass short-side | No | Link | Urbom |
| 10/9/2010 | 7 | Low, past right pad | Ovechkin powers into middle of ice, fires a shot that bounces past right pad (possibly hit Fraser first?) | No | Link | |
| 10/9/2010 | 8 | Under right arm | Chimera comes out of the box, gets a one-on-one with Brodeur, fires it under Brodeur's right arm from left dot. | No | Link | Arnott |
| 10/9/2010 | 9 | Off glove and into the net | White's pass gets picked off at point, and he hauls Ovechkin down on a breakaway for the penalty shot. Ovechkin fires it off glove hard and it goes in. PSGA | No | Link | White |
| 10/11/2010 | 10 | Off glove and into the net | Goligoski takes puck to top of right circle and fires a slapshot. Brodeur reaches but only got a piece of it with the glove and it goes in. | Yes | Link | Kovalchuk |
| 10/11/2010 | 11 | Low, through legs | Letang fires a slapshot at the right post, Brodeur stops it, but the puck bounces to Letestu at crease for the put back | No | Link | |
| 10/15/2010 | 12 | Low, through legs | McLeod fires a shot that is tipped up by Brodeur's stick and goes through his legs. PPGA | Yes | Link | |
| 10/15/2010 | 13 | High, past glove | Brodeur stops Stewart shot, Galiardi is first to the rebound, and he roofs it past Brodeur's glove to the top corne. | No | Link | White |
| 10/15/2010 | 14 | Middle, past glove | Stewart fires a slapshot above left circle and it beats Brodeur glove-side | Yes | Link | |
| 10/16/2010 | 15 | Low, under right pad | Brodeur stops Boychuk shot, rebound goes right to Caron, who sweeps it around Brodeur's right side. | No | Link | Arnott Tallinder |
| 10/16/2010 | 16 | High, past glove into corner | Seguin feeds Ryder into the high slot, Ryder |
No | Link | Langenbrunner |
| 10/16/2010 | 17 | Under right arm, far post | Thornton gets space in left circle, fires it through Zajac and Taormina to beat Brodeur far post | No | Link | Zajac |
| 10/16/2010 | 18 | Medium, on right flank | Lucic alone in front of the net and beats Brodeur on his flank with a one-timer | No | Link | Urbom Corrente |
| 10/23/2010 | 19 | Low, on left flank | Roy finds Vanek wide open at the crease on Brodeur's left flank, Vanek taps it in PPGA | No | Link | Zajac Magnan |
| 10/23/2010 | 20 | High, over body | Vanek takes a turnover, drives to the net, gets stopped once, but puts rebound over diving Brodeur | No | Link | Corrente |
| 10/24/2010 | 21 | Low, through legs | Long rebound bounces to Rozsival, who fires a slapshot that hits Greene to change direction and beat Brodeur 5-hole | No | Link | |
| 10/24/2010 | 22 | Low, through legs | Dubinsky fires a shot below right dot, Callahan re-directs it right in front of Brodeur PPGA | No | Link | |
| 10/27/2010 | 23 | Past glove, near post | Taormina mishandles puck, Sharks take over, and Thornton fires a shot that hits Taormina's stick and goes in | No | Link | Taormina |
| 10/27/2010 | 24 | Low, under left pad | Thornton wins puck on back boards, feeds an in-motion Marleau who wraps around and tucks the puck under Brodeur's left pad | Yes | Link | Magnan |
| 10/27/2010 | 25 | Low, past his left side | Brodeur stops a slapshot, falls down and gets tangled up with Thornton. Marleau puts rebound towards net for Thornton to tap in | No | Link | |
| 10/27/2010 | 26 | Behind net when the puck bounced in front | Clearing attempt by Brodeur is blocked by Heatley, who dumps it in. Brodeur goes behind net but puck bounces out front off the corner - making it easy for Thornton | Yes | Link | |
| 10/27/2010 | 27 | High, on right flank | Thornton threads a pass to an in-motion Heatley; who one-times it in on Brodeur's right flank | No | Link | |
| 10/29/2010 | 28 | Low, past right side | An open Blake gets pass dow low to Brodeur's right, Blake curls around, gets stopped once but puts rebound far post | No | Link | Magnan Greene |
| 10/30/2010 | 29 | Low, past right pad | Williams pulls and drags the puck past Eckford, fires a shot through traffic that gets in | No | Link | Eckford |
| 10/30/2010 | 30 | Under left arm | Brodeur stops Stoll's slapshot , Handzus wins puck right in front and bats the rebound in PPGA | No | Link | |
| 10/30/2010 | 31 | Low, past right pad | Scuderi shot goes off boards, Greene tangles up with Brodeur, Stoll backhands shot past sliding Brodeur | No | Link | Greene |
Commentary
I'll admit, I've delayed in starting this review earlier because sitting down and just watching 31 goals against is pretty difficult to voluntarily do. Spending part of an evening reviewing goals and trying not to scream at the computer because a Devil made a mistake wasn't easy. However, you really should not and probably do not care about that; so let's talk about these goals allowed (GAs).
Out of the 29 goals Brodeur allowed, I counted 6 actual soft goals. That's just under 20% of all goals this month, 19.35% to be more precise. Believe it or not, it's actually a better soft goals percentage than in October 2009. I find that to be interesting, but I'll make more of a point of it at the end of this series of posts. Nevertheless, let's quickly go over those 6 goals I thought were soft.
The first one I labeled as soft was GA #5. While I did note in the description that Mark Fraser was being used as a screen by John Carlson's shot, it was still a very long shot and Fraser was high enough that I think Brodeur still should saw it and got his glove on Carlson's excellent shot. GA #10 featured an error by Ilya Kovalchuk, his only one in this month, but Brodeur really should have stopped Alex Goligoski's shot as he did get a piece of it. The first and third goals allowed on October 15 against Colorado were both stoppable; GA #12 was just Brodeur caught in a bad position and GA #14 was just a whiff. The last two in October came against that nightmare game against San Jose on October 27. Brodeur was caught unaware on the wraparound that led to GA #24 and GA #26 was created by a failed clearing attempt and ended with Brodeur behind the net as the puck took an odd bounce off the boards. The latter was a Hedberg-esque failure combined with a bad break. I'll admit I was on the fence for determining GA #5 and #26 as being soft, but I decided to err on the side of faulting the goaltender. Of course, feel free to argue otherwise in the comments.
Still, the majority of these goals against were not his fault. You'll notice that many of these GAs have skating errors associated with them. 12 did not, including 5 out of the 6 soft goals allowed this month, but that's still a majority of problems. They range from turnovers (e.g. GA #3, 4, 20) to failing to get to a short rebound (e.g. GAs #13, 15) to failing to make a defensive move (e.g. GA #16) to a simple "oops" with respect to just handling the puck (e.g. GAs #23, 29). There was even a penalty shot created by Colin White en route to GA #9, not that I would immediately label giving up a breakaway goal to Alexander Ovechkin as soft. This month sure had it all when it came to mistakes! I don't think I would be spoiling much by suggesting it doesn't get too much better under the rest of the John MacLean era.
I will point out that a majority of the skater errors in October came from defensemen, 17 out of 23 skaters named to be exact. This shouldn't be news to anyone who recalls the horrid month of October for the New Jersey Devils. Rookie call-ups played like players who didn't belong in the NHL because they didn't at the time. Veterans were either getting acclimated to a new partner out of need or coaching decision, and so communication broke down and players were out of position. I'm not bringing these up as excuses, but as some reason as to why there were so many screw-ups. Unfortunately, I can't claim it got better over the next two months.
Nevertheless, Brodeur's poor statline had a lot of contribution from being hung out to dry and not getting competent defensive support regularly. Throw in the fact that the offense struggled mightily to score, and it's a recipe for losses.
Location of Goals Allowed
All locations are relative to Brodeur himself, not necessarily where the puck goes into the net. It's pretty simplistic, but it'll do for general information.
| Location | Count | % Total |
| Low Left | 4 | 12.90% |
| Low Middle | 4 | 12.90% |
| Low Right | 7 | 22.58% |
| Medium Left | 4 | 12.90% |
| Medium Middle | 1 | 3.23% |
| Medium Right | 4 | 12.90% |
| High Left | 5 | 16.13% |
| High Middle | 0 | 0.00% |
| High Right | 2 | 6.45% |
Plenty of opposing players found success to go low against Martin Brodeur in October. Some of these 15 low goals came off rebounds, others came from other plays where they just found Brodeur sliding and were able to exploit that, particularly to Brodeur's right side. That will happen when forced to do something out of desperation. Opposing players were able to beat him with elevation, going high glove-side on Brodeur was shown to be successful; while many of those "medium" height shots came on one-timers. Incidentally, Brodeur didn't develop a hole in his body for one goal against this month; the "medium middle" goal was GA #26, where Joe Thornton put the puck just about right into the empty net Brodeur was behind.
Your Take
I know it's a lot to take in, after all it is 31 goals allowed in one month. Feel free to peruse the list of goals allowed, review some video, and come up with a confirming or dissenting view on any of them in the comments. What do you make of the findings for this month? Were you surprised that I called out only 6 out of 31 goals allowed as being soft? Did you expect more or less skater errors? We know Brodeur's stats will get worse in November and December, but do you think he would also give up more soft goals in those months? The last question will be answered soon enough; but please give me your answers and your general take on how Brodeur did in October 2010 in the comments. Thanks for reading.
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Great start to what must be a long and painful process. I guess we need one last romp through the tragedy that was the 2010-11 season before we can wipe the slate clean and usher in the Pete DeBoer era.
I’m most interested in how Marty played compared to last season. You mention that the percentage of soft goals allowed in the month was less than last season’s, which I suppose is a good sign, but I’ll reserve judgment until we see the rest of the season’s numbers.
well considering how well we did in the 2nd half and how we rose from 30th to 9th in goals against. After December it will get easier and easier. December however might just need two posts because of how big it’s gonna be. (Worst month ever.)
December has 2 fewer goals against than October, if I recall correctly.
But I can confirm it was bad.
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by John Fischer on Aug 1, 2011 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brodeur will have a great bounce-back season
In reading comments from non-Devils fans, all you read is what the Devils will do in goal because Brodeur needs to retire after this coming year. And while Im sure Marty doesnt sit down and read Yahoo! Sports, TSN comments or others of the like, the media probably pushes this rhetoric. Im sure Marty has heard it, Im sure Marty is more than disappointed with last season and it seems to me Marty is going to come out next season and do his best to quiet the nay-sayers. I do believe Marty is driven by proving to himself that he is elite, and last year, he was not.
I can agree that Brodeur isn’t happy about last season; I can’t imagine too many Devils who were on the team last season were too happy about last season. I can agree that he may not be elite – but I don’t think he was all that bad; I think he was just victimized a lot more.
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*Fingers crossed*
First off, I’m a huge Marty fan as I’m sure we all are. And he’s meant everything to the orginazation and has been a class act all the way. (Err, well, Melanie may disagree but lets not go there!)
But facts are facts. Age catches up to everyone and Marty has had injury issues 2 of 3 prior years. Also, last year was the only year in his career in which he didn’t consistently perform. That’s a remarkable acheivement but sadly it’s a red flag when considering prospective performance.
Of course, Marty should start the year as the #1 goalie and he should have his chance to ‘bounce back’. But if he isn’t getting the job done the organization must consider making the inevitable change sooner rather then later. They can’t let another season go down the tubes.
I hope I’m wrong (and I am often wrong) but I’m skeptical Marty finishes the season as the #1 goalie.
Marty's style can not compete with the butterfly = the Devils can not compete.
first off, the point is moot. Marty is the best ever of the stand-up goalies… but that’s like being in a war and being the best muzzle loader. That style is no longer viable… the butterfly is a better one simply because the save % is better. Hands down.. Marty will never have the kind of save % that these huge goalies who eat up the entire net when they have their legs stretched across the entire bottom will have. Coupled with his age, it’s over and the ship has sailed. He can still be effective, and win games and make beautiful saves but his team has to play perfectly in from of him to make it work which leave the offense… let’s say… less than effective.
Secondly, I have to say that this is an insane idea… but I’m glad you are doing it and not me. LOL.
Lastly, I wanted to take a goal semi-at random and see if we agree on fault. I chose #16 by Michael Ryder. AND I can’t agree with you on it. Marty was only desperately trying to make a save because he was so out of position in the first place… this was NOT a one timer… so there was plenty of time to get back in position after the pass from the side boards was made. It was a nice top shelf shot but Marty arriving late made it look ugly. it was a poor read on his part. He needs to make that kind of save for his team to win.
Yeah but...
…the proliferation of cookie cutter butterfly goaltenders have made hockey less entertaining.
The league should do away with those riducles goalie pads that extend up past the knee that are designed to protect the 5 hole when the goalie is in the butterfly position. It rewards skilless play.
First, I don’t see how you can really argue that Brodeur’s style is holding the Devils back. The butterfly has been popularized since the late 80s thanks to Patrick Roy. Brodeur’s entire career has been pretty good, as has been the Devils’ performance as a team, in spite of that sea change in goaltending styles.
Second, the whole point of this review is to go beyond just his age and his save percentage to see how Brodeur’s being beaten. If it shows that the vast majority of these goals against aren’t his fault, they aren’t soft, then it’s suggestive that Brodeur wasn’t as bad as it seems.
Third, I reviewed the video again and I can’t agree on GA #16 being a soft goal. I should have been clearer in my description, but that the shot went through Langenbrunner meant that Langenbrunner was used as a screen. Brodeur looks out of position because he has to try and see the shot around his own player. I can’t fault Brodeur for that. If anyone’s at fault, it’s Langenbrunner for getting in between Ryder and the net and hesitating as Ryder got the puck. He put himself into a no man’s land at best, based on my viewing of the goal. You are right that it wasn’t a one-timer, though; Ryder did collect the puck first before firing. I’ll correct it in the chart.
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But is the difference between a great and an elite goalie one who makes the saves he isn’t supposed to make? I mean it’s not like Marty had 0 shot on some of the ones that aren’t his fault, and he shouldn’t be blamed, but another goalie (Lundqvist AGHUHUGAH) might have saved one or two of those.
I don’t know, is that the difference? If so, how do we account for confirmation bias; since it’s easy to remember screw ups or big saves when want to.
Moreover, if Brodeur did have a shot on a goal against, then why aren’t we blaming him for it? Why assume some other goaltender would make the stop and have it be evidence that he’s better? Sure, if said goaltender could repeat that, then I could see that as evidence of superiority. As for just one event, it might as well be luck.
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Saying what goalie can make a save is impossible to quantify
If we want to bring up Henrik he is younger and has a little more bounce/quickness it could potentially help him save a few of these goals.
One area I feel is most concerning is the amount of goals that went in on the low right of Marty. Trying not to put a poor dman at fault, which is most likely the case, any butterfly goalie, not “elite talent” would probably have a more solid save percentage in the lower area of the net.
Also the higher amount of goals from the bottom right is probably the fault of some defenders on that side getting beat. In those incidents. From most of the descriptions it sounds like the defense sucked and was more to blame. Marty isnt as quick as a butterfly goalie to the low sides but if half of those right shots were not defensive breakdowns where there was an open man waiting for a one timer it would be more of a redflag to me.
If you look at the last 10 years of goaltending save % you can clearly see that Brodeur can no longer compete with the elite goalies in the league. Marty’s carrer save % is .913. In the 2000-2001 season that would put him in 13th place among goalies with 20 games or more. That same .913 save % this past season would place him 31st (again for goalies who played at least 20 games). Incidentally, neither year did he reach .913. Save % is trending upwards steadily whether you want to put causality on Butterfly style, bigger pads, or just the sheer size of the goalies themselves lately… The fact remains save % is a huge factor… which I certainly agree is not all Marty’s fault… But he is pretty bad down low and every team knows to throw the puck there because he won’t cover the bottom of the net as well as the giant goalies with giant pads. And yes, Bobby V, it does make the game less entertaining… but what’s even LESS entertaining is losing all the time and not making the playoffs.
I would love to share in optimism if it was justly founded in reality. The goalie position has changed… Marty hasn’t… Evolution in needed. There is a reason Stand-up goalies are vitually extinct… It is an inferior style.
by Rich Andruska on Aug 2, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Marty has started to use the butterfly more in past seasons if you have noticed, and has unfortunately not done it too well. Now that he started doing it he gets beat high because he drops too quickly, still how can you say that it’s an inferior style. How many times has Marty gone up and moved laterally faster because of him being able to stand up and not fall on his knees? The rebound control is faster that way and him clearing pucks is easier..
There is a reason Stand-up goalies are vitually extinct… It is an inferior style.
You haven’t proven this to my satisfaction.
Per GVT, MB was very good until last season and elite as recently as ‘07/’08. (For all time GVT, click on download at link.)
I would love to share in optimism if it was justly founded in reality.
I’m confused why this statement was put in after referencing my name when clearly anyone who read my fingers crossed post couldn’t possibly think I’m being optimistic.
First: A big component of save percentage is shots against. There’s reason to believe the Devils have undercount shots at both ends of the rink. This older article by Tom Awad at Hockey Prospectus discovered that and even noted Brodeur specifically as someone undercut by scoring bias.
Second: Why would you compare a lifetime save percentage across multiple seasons to one in particular? That makes little sense as the game changes.
Third: Let me see if I get this straight. The butterfly, which has become popular in the NHL since 1986, is such a superior style; yet Brodeur has enjoyed a long, successful career even though he has not been a butterfly goaltender or will become one. Does that alone prove that the butterfly isn’t for everyone? If you don’t want to call him elite, fine; but be prepared to define elite.
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