New Devils Top 20 Prospects Article at Hockey's Future
Jared Ramsden has put together the latest edition of his top 20 prospects in the New Jersey Devils system over at Hockey's Future. Feel free to discuss his list in the comments.
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John Fischer
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How does he write this sentence, and not stop and think, ‘Hey, this sounds kinda dumb’:
“[Fayne] did play top-four minutes last season, but his long-term future lies as a bottom pairing defenseman who can play in the neighbourhood of 15-16 minutes a night.”
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Ha. Excellent catch.
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by John Fischer on Aug 22, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess the point here is what was brought up a while ago and he believes Fayne will regress? Not saying it’s right just trying to look from someone elses perspective.
right and it’s silly. he would never say that about any prospect drafted in the first 3 rounds. but since this guy is a 5th round pick, he can’t be better than a third-pairing defenseman.
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I’m sure there are a lot of late picks that have become good D-men. None come to mind but it obviously has happened. Maybe Byfuglien, but Fayne clearly showed that he can skate well for a big man and has decent shot/ passing. I think with more experience he can actually be better which is awesome.
tobias enstrom was a 7th round pick. brian rafalski was undrafted. dan boyle was undrafted. willie mitchell was a 7th round pick. tomas kaberle was a late round pick. kimmo timonen was as well, i think.
fayne was picked in 2005. his draft position just isn’t a relevant piece of information anymore.
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Ramsden seems to expect Larsson and Merrill (fair or not) to pass Fayne on the depth chart, and within 2 yrs from the sound of it. With established vets in Tallinder and Volchenkov also deserving of top-four spots, Fayne might be relegated to a “third-pairing” defenseman.
If Fayne makes improvements to his game and still ends up on the third pairing that can only mean great things for our blueline – and Ramsden’s expectations, as for many of the fans, are piling high. There probably is some inherent bias given his draft position, but I think it’s less a slight on Fayne and more a reflection of high, perhaps even extravagant, expectations for Larsson and Merrill.
Ramsden seems to expect Larsson and Merrill (fair or not) to pass Fayne on the depth chart, and within 2 yrs from the sound of it. With established vets in Tallinder and Volchenkov also deserving of top-four spots, Fayne might be relegated to a "third-pairing" defenseman.
and this is totally ridiculous. one may do it, for both to do it would be an incredible achievement.
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The Red Wings best prospects aren’t even first rounders- heck their best player is a 6th round pick.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 24, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really know what to add. I’m not used to writers outside the “circle” giving the Devs a fair shake.
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jared ramsden is definitely in the circle. he’s been writing this article for as long as i can remember.
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TG direct messaged me on twitter a while back asking if he is just a fan or actually like a “professional” type of scout. I didn’t know, but no offense to him, considering all of his tweets and what not, I don’t know if he is any more qualified than some of the guys on ILWT.
i am pretty sure that he is not a professional scout, although he may scout games at lower levels. let’s not bash his credentials, he’s just a fan like the rest of us. even if he were a scout, i wouldn’t put any more stock in his opinion than i already do.
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I’m not trying to necessarily bash him, considering his opinion is much like mine has been from watching less games. The only thing is we don’t know how many times he watches these kids play or instead just look at what other people said and state his opinion. I like hockey’s future, its usually accurate, but you can’t trust all you read obviously.
I like hockey’s future, its usually accurate
and i dislike hockey’s future. nothing personal against ramsden, he writes well, but the hockey’s future prospect evaluation method is for the birds. take this article, save it to your hard drive, and look at it again in 5 years. then you’ll see.
prospect evaluation is far from an exact science, but the way they do it over there – i have never and i will never understand it.
That’s why I said you can’t trust all you read, prospects don’t work out a lot of the time. They always seem extremely positive at hockey’s future. I like it because it is a nice read, not because it’s an exact science. I feel it would be foolish to consider what they say as legit as can be.
Their rating system is worthless – the vast majority of prospects are rated between 5.5-7.0 and as "C"s. I enjoy reading the reviews, though – they do highlight the players’ strengths well and comment on the ways they’ve been working on their weaknesses through the course of the season. They’re blissfully optimistic, and that makes for a more entertaining read, frankly.
I suppose I still have a philosophical difference of opinion with the ranking of prospects. I understand that there is a definition of the term, but there should be some significant weighting, or factoring of the actual NHL experience of a given player still technically defined as a prospect. Guys like Fayne, Tao, Teddy and Palms have proven, and some of them extensively, that they are capable full time NHL players. And yet there are guys higher on the list that have never played a minute of NHL hockey, or were given NHL time and did very little with it.
Such is the speculative nature of “prospects” I guess. Fun read though. Makes me want to catch a few games in Albany this year when I am doomed to be in upstate NY this year for work. They don’t get a lot of snow in November/December right?
ugh.
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no, i agree. ranking burlon above fayne is just ridiculous. there is a very good chance that brandon burlon never plays 50 games in the NHL, and a better chance that however many games he plays, they are not as good as fayne’s. fayne should either be top 10 or not on the list at all.
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If you read their rating system. The grades they give out are based on their max potential or upside and the prospect’s chance he will reach it. From what I saw last season, NONE of the prospects proved that they able to play in the NHL. They showed glimpses but for me it’s far from definite after one short stint in the big club. Just because some of them played in the NHL does not make them necessarily have a brighter future. And from what I know, the writer of the article has been reviewing Devils’ prospects for around ten years.
to me, all of them proved that are at least NHL quality players, besides palmieri who i have some doubts about. where they go from here is anyone’s guess.
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You’re only saying they are NHL quality players compared to the current squad of players. To tell you the truth, our defense isn’t great and if you ever slot these guys onto another team’s lineup, they might not even make the team.
None of the forwards completely showed me that they were ready to play in the NHL and wouldn’t be better off in AHL. Yes, they can improve, that’s what we are banking on, but they can regress or stagnate in their development as well. If I see consecutive seasons of growth then I can say they are ready, otherwise, one season doesn’t cut it.
You’re only saying they are NHL quality players compared to the current squad of players.
No, what I am saying is that they are NHL players, fullstop.
To tell you the truth, our defense isn’t great and if you ever slot these guys onto another team’s lineup, they might not even make the team.
It’s true that they might not make another team, but that’s not what we’re dealing with. But NJ has intentionally thinned out its forward depth so these players can play. Rolston, Langenbrunner, and Arnott are gone, with only Steckel coming back.
None of the forwards completely showed me that they were ready to play in the NHL and wouldn’t be better off in AHL. Yes, they can improve, that’s what we are banking on, but they can regress or stagnate in their development as well.
Josefson showed me that he is ready to play in the NHL. Tedenby’s defense needs some work, but his offense is solid. Players at their ages don’t typically regress or stagnate. They typically get better. And what I’m saying is that even if they don’t get better, they’re NHL players right now.
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Whether we like it or not
Teddy, JJ and Palms will be “NHL Players” this year. And for the record, I think they are ready.
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by Goblechuk on Aug 24, 2011 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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