Pekka Rinne UFA next season
by Frugis on Aug 24, 2011 3:34 PM EDT
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PrintIts a long shot, but if Nashville goaltender Pekka Rinne does happen to make it to free agency, surviving trades or contract extension with his team, does anyone like the idea of the devils trying to sign the goaltender at FA if he makes it? He is young at age 28 and from his performance last year he was very good and hopefully he continues to have a good career. I am saying this because i feel that our young goaltenders are not NHL ready and Brodeur possibly retiring at the end of the season. Just an idea and personally i would like to see it happen with out sacrificing everything like a certain rival did (philly). Any ideas? Comments? Possible events?
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does anyone like the idea of the devils trying to sign the goaltender at FA if he makes it?
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Aug 24, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions
I would trade the son of josef, the son of Lars & Weber for hi… huh, wait a second….
Firstly I’d trade Rolston, Parize & Volshkenov for Weber then I’d do it again with the 2 sons & Weber for Pekka Rinne… or Rekka Pinne, whatever. lolz
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Aug 24, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
does anyone like? sure
does everyone like? no. i don’t like the idea. NJ is already paying too much for goaltending as it is.
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Who’s your starting goalie if Brodeur decides to retire ? Kinkaid already ?
Then, who’s your back-up if Hedberg’s not resigned ?
A trade for Pekka RInne sounds like an awful option, that’s true, but he still is a great goalie. & to pay attention to the likes of Pekka Rinne when they’re UFA is a must do, especially when you’ve got the room & the money for them.
That does not mean “sign that guy at any price” though ?
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Aug 24, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That does not mean "sign that guy at any price" though. ?
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Aug 24, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
he would get a lot of money. tampa will probably need a goalie. nashville might be willing to re-sign him. i’d much rather go after tomas vokoun, who will likely command much less money, for similar performance.
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If Marty retires
Vokoun is the kind of goalie I’d like to see in the Devils uniform, perhaps even more than Rinne.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Aug 24, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it depends on
what the Devils think of their goalie prospects. If they believe one of them can definitely be a NHL starter with just a little more seasoning, I think we can predict a push for a Vokoun type (short term). If they do not have that kind of confidence in their upcoming goalies, then we probably see a push for Rinne long term.
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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 24, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If he produces in Washington, I’m sure they’ll give him an extension to lock him up. They’ve been looking for a good goaltender for a long time and I’m sure they’ll be willing to give him some money, with Semin coming off the books there.
Semin coming off the books, probably = raises for Green and, especially, Carlson.
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by red army line on Aug 26, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
very true
Washington is up against the cap as it is
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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 26, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, but look at the prospects Washington has in their system.. Two highly touted Russian prospects. I’m a fan in a way of Carlson, being that he is ‘partially’ from New Jersey or whatever it is, but it is possible they might make other moves than that. All that I’m saying is that they will want to ensure that they have a goaltender that they know they can count on night in and night out. They might have to change the plans of payment for other players to do so however.
The organization absolutely loves Neuvirth and Holtby and were perfectly willing to use that tandem until Vokoun called them up. I could see Vokoun extended one year, not more than that.
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by red army line on Aug 28, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
True, I see what you’re saying, but still. With the Caps being able to hold onto a true top goaltender, it can really help them out. I’m familiar with a lot of their playoff runs (if you can really call them runs) and their lack of quality goaltending. If they had a quality goaltender then, things may have been different. Look at Philly and what they went through to get a better goaltender. I just don’t see him coming available for us to get.
This whole argument is premised on the theory that Vokoun is that “true top goaltender”. I don’t think he is, and I don’t know that he ever really was such a creature. Looking at recent numbers, he isn’t an upgrade over Varlamov or Holtby or Neuvirth except perhaps in the psychological sense…. and his playoff numbers aren’t especially inspiring, either.
Vokoun is a Capital because he fell into Washington’s laps, for all practical purposes. If you take the bargain price out of the equation, there’s no way Tomas Vokoun would be a Cap, today, because I don’t think Washington felt goaltending was an area of need to address, even with Semyon Varlamov gone.
This whole argument is premised on the theory that Vokoun is that "true top goaltender". I don’t think he is, and I don’t know that he ever really was such a creature.
while he played in two shot inflating environments, he hasn’t had a save percentage less than .919 since the lockout. that’s a top goaltender any way you slice it.
still don’t think they can afford him after this year. kuznetsov is going to be a top player but that’s probably a few years off. they can’t just lose semin and get nothing to replace him with, and the team isn’t exactly stacked in the minors at right wing.
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When the free agency market opened up, the Caps were shopping Semin, a few teams were interested, but nothing went through. I’m thinking that they most likely will be open to trading him during the season if they can get a good package of picks or prospects. As you said they wouldn’t want him to leave and get nothing in return, as much as they may be contenders, they still might trade him if they get the right package.
It would have to be an out of this world offer. You don’t give up your second highest scorer when you’re the Capitals come postseason time
at the risk of letting him walk? I agree with you however, but I’m trying to think about it from a different perspective… They finish at the top of the league every year. They have some prospects, some good ones, but who knows how many more good ones they’ll get soon because they always have a late round draft pick. They won’t be able to sign a high end free agent because they are up against the cap. Do you want your second top scorer to walk for a bigger pay day, or do you get something in return? Think about it that way.
If they’re contenders & besides injuries or other locker-room issues, they won’t trade a top line RW like Semin for picks & prospects. You just don’t do that.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Aug 28, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly I don’t really know how to continue this from here. As I said I agree, but I’m just trying to make a point for it, it doesn’t seem like a team in that situation will just let him walk…
Your point is quite logical but the teams process when they’re cup contenders is to care about short term = the coming playoffs.
If the Caps are contenders & Semin is traded, it will only be for another player, but not for picks & prospects.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Aug 29, 2011 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The Flyers did it a few months ago, albeit with centers who were used as wingers at times.
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by John Fischer on Aug 28, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but the difference is that the two players they traded were locked up for the next decade. Semin is entering a contract year, which complicates things, but I do have have a feeling that the Caps would be open to unloading him if they could get a good prospect or a player the could have locked up for a few more years. We’ll just have to wait and see.
I mean, the Caps do have a lot of players that could step up and take that position. With Ovechkin and Backstrom and the others they have, somebody can easily step up and contribute in his place. Especially those prospects they already have.
I’m sure there would be a team on the verge of the playoffs that would gladly give up a prospect to try to lock up a player like Semin with a big juicy deal.
they didn’t do it at the deadline.
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True. They did it prior to the draft.
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by John Fischer on Aug 28, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you
my thought exactly
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Aug 29, 2011 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions
… So you don’t believe in Merill to be better than Fayne, but Kuznetsov is somehow going to be a top player without a game in the NHL?
excellent strawman. at no point did i compare merrill and fayne. forwards are also much easier to predict than defensemen.
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You did on the post with hockey’s future saying the likeliness of Larsson and Merill being better than Fayne is slim at best. No strawman here.
you misinterpreted, but i wrote poorly. what i said was in response to this:
“Ramsden seems to expect Larsson and Merrill (fair or not) to pass Fayne on the depth chart, and within 2 yrs from the sound of it. With established vets in Tallinder and Volchenkov also deserving of top-four spots, Fayne might be relegated to a “third-pairing” defenseman."
and the notion that both merrill and larsson will pass fayne within 2 years is just wildly optimistic and not grounded in reality. fayne may not be here in 2-3 years, who knows what the future holds, but that’s just very unlikely to occur and is typical prospect talk. it could certainly happen in 4-5 years.
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like I said above
Vokoun short term could be an option
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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 25, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does it seem like every year our prospect goalies “aren’t ready for the nhl this season”. Not from this post but it seems like from the organization’s standpoint. Is it just that the goalies in our system just aren’t good? If that were true I would like to see the Devils go after someone like Rinne, but I wouldn’t want the team to go the Flyers route of getting goalies.
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by Rory B. Bellows on Aug 24, 2011 4:04 PM EDT reply actions
As it was discussed in one of my previous fanposts, Nashville has a terrific young goaltender in their system, who is likely better and will take over from Rinne. He will most likely be traded unless Nashville is in a position that in doing so will make them suffer. He will most likely hit the free agent market, but I don’t know exactly what price he would come at. I definitely do not think he is a blue chip type of free agent, but will command a decent salary cap hit to the team that would sign him.
Lindback is an RFA, there is no reason for him to be traded by Nashville and they can keep him relatively cheap. You can expect Lindback to be a Predator until he is at least 27.
I wasn’t talking about them trading Linkback. That was all about Rinne. He is Rinne’s replacement, so it gives them reason to be able to trade Rinne if they so choose to.
My bad.
I think he’s a good goaltender, but I don’t consider him to be one of the best. But that’s my opinion. He may however be the best goaltender available on the free agency market, which would increase his value. I would say a ‘blue chip’ free agent is really a top of the line player. I wouldn’t exactly consider Rinne to be that as I said. A blue chip type player would be somebody who is one of the top contributors on their team.
I think you undervalue Pekka Rinne in the NHL and especially for the Predators. He was a Vezina Trophy Finalist this past season with some gaudy SV% numbers. Check out this article for some more perspective. If Rinne becomes available as a UFA, I would go as far as to say he would be the best UFA goaltender of the last 20 years.
Why did I laugh when I saw Luongo was indeed one of the finalists ?
My bad, he went to the Finals this year at least.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Aug 28, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Rinne is slightly overvalued because Nashville’s scorers typically overcount shots. NJ undercounts. The difference is probably between 2 and 4 shots a game, which really adds up.
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sure it does. if rinne is actually only an average goalie, that’s not hard to find. the predators got rid of vokoun when he was too pricey and haven’t regretted it, i think they will let rinne go unless he takes a hometown discount.
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Definitely, I see them trading him and getting something back for him. He’ll walk after the season, they might as well get something for him then.
You’re corrolating that this supposed inflated SV% is the reason why he is a great goalie. There are certainly other factors in what makes him (IMO) one step below elite. And to find that kind of goalie as a UFA, at that age, makes him so very valuable.
rinne turns 29 this year. how is that valuable?
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oh i understand, i misread what you wrote. but yeah, rinne hasn’t proven at all that he’s elite. he has two average seasons and one excellent one.
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Judging from past goalie signings, he’s not going to be cheap, perhaps it would be better off spent with Parise. It would also feel weird not to have a home-grown goalie manning the net.
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No matter what, it will not feel right when Marty has relinquished his reign between the pipes in NJ.
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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 24, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Very true, you have to really enjoy these last seasons of his career, it wasn’t hard to cheer for Hedberg though.
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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 25, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Why must we have a new fan post on Rinne every month? I’d love for him to “replace” Marty, so to speak, but why would the Preds let him go? His price will probably be too high.
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why would the Preds let him go?
His price will probably be too high.
This is a bit paradoxical, Nashville has always been reluctant to spend the cash.
We’ll probably have to pay attention to him, but if he wants to use his Free-Agent position to get a massive contract, just let him go.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Aug 26, 2011 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I think of their three big FAs coming up they’d most easily part with Rinne, given Lindback and their three big name goalie prospects.
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by red army line on Aug 26, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m all for a new netminder but we don’t want to pay too much against the salary cap because in today’s NHL it’s more about the top two lines of defense and a solid three lines of offense. Let’s get some depth first and then we can worry about goaltenders, I think Marty will be around for a few more years.
Goalies can carry a team
I hope Marty is around forever, but at some point the Devils will need a replacement for him. I think they have good depth, especially defensively. We will see though.
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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 26, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind that the Preds also drafted Magus Hellberg with the 38th pick in the draft, making him the first goalie off the board.
goalie depth is never bad
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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 26, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
sure it is. you can’t play 2 goalies at once.
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sure you can. When there’s a game in Newark and Albany, 2 goalies will be playing at once. :-)
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Any ugly word. But how about this:
If Marty is injured at the trade deadline, the Devils deal Parise for Rinne.
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