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Reviewing the Goals Allowed by Martin Brodeur: December 2010

The month of December was just terrible for the New Jersey Devils.  Any of the of following adjectives would suffice: awful, pitiful, horrendous, miserable, depressing, enraging, horrific, bewildering, and craptacular.  OK, the last one isn't really a word, but the point is all the same.   It was a bad month.

No one suffered more in this month than the goaltenders.  Both Martin Brodeur and Johan Hedberg put up some atrocious numbers.  However, one of the main reasons to look back at each of these goals is to determine whether it was the goaltender's fault or not. Sure, seeing three or more goals by the opposition on a regular basis, like it seemingly did this month, doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the goaltending. Yet, the video can tell a different tale.    We know most of the 13 goals allowed by Johan Hedberg weren't his fault.   What about Brodeur?  Based on what we've learned in October and November, I suspect that the same may be the case in this month.


GP MIN W L OTL GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
December 2010 - Martin Brodeur 9 484 1 8 0 29 3.60 197 168 .853 1

Martin Brodeur came back from injury and returned to the ice on December 10.  Outside of one good game on December 15 where he earned a shutout, opponents just lit up the Devils over and over.  Brodeur's stats for this month are the worst out of any month of his 2010-11 season.   That is bad by itself.  Let's look at each of those 29 goals allowed (GA) by Brodeur to see whether he just made a lot of mistakes like the rest of the team did in that month; or whether he was victimized yet again.   (Note: Please set your viewing to Wide before continuing.)

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About the Review

The main thing I'm looking for in this review are "soft goals," those goals against that should have been stopped by the goaltender.  Here's how I am defining a soft goal. The goalie must have seen the shot coming; the shot was not deflected or change otherwise in motion; the goalie was in position to actually make the stop; and the goaltender made an uncharacteristic mistake that led to the goal.  If all were true, then I deemed the goal as "soft." In fact, the very last bit alone can make the difference between a soft goal or not.

I also want to highlight the last column in the following list: Skater Error.  Did a Devils skater do something seriously wrong on the play that led to the goal? If so, their name (or names) end up on the chart. I could be picky and call them out for every goal, but I'm only highlighting who's actions or lack thereof contributed to the goal against.  There will be goals where multiple skaters screw up, so you may see more than one name.   I'm tracking this to see who was commonly at fault, assuming it means anything.  As with the goals against themselves, feel free to discuss this too.

Lastly, I have provided links to the video I looked at for each goal from NHL.com.  These links will auto-play the video, so be forewarned.

The 29 Goals Allowed by Martin Brodeur in December 2010: A Chart

Date GA# Where Beaten? GA Description Soft Goal? Video Link Skater Error
12/10/2010 43 Low, past left pad Karlsson fires a shot from the left point, bounces, goes through several bodies, and past Brodeur No Link
12/10/2010 44 Past the blocker Brodeur stops Kovalev's shot, rebound bounces right to an open Michalek in the slot, who bangs it in No Link Pelley
12/10/2010 45 High, off left shoulder Brodeur stops Neil's shot, Ruutu puts rebound on Brodeur's left shoulder which bounces into the net No Link
12/11/2010 46 Off left post then off the glove Datsyuk's shot is deflected by Holmstrom, which goes off the left post, off Brodeur's glove, and in. Yes Link
12/11/2010 47 High, over left shoulder Brodeur comes out to play angle on Cleary and lowers his left shoulder.  Cleary puts the shot right over it and into the net Yes Link
12/11/2010 48 Past the blocker Zetterberg fires first shot in slot, Holmstrom tries to jam in rebound, Zetterberg follows up on 2nd rebound and scores amid the scrum No Link Pelley
12/11/2010 49 Through the legs Fayne goes to corner leaving Datsyuk wide open in the slot. Datsyuk gets puck, beats sliding Brodeur through the legs No Link Fayne
12/17/2010 50 Between left arm and body Weber's slapshot is deflected by Sullivan in front and it trickles in between Brodeur's left arm and body Yes Link
12/17/2010 51 Over the glove Erat from the left circle fires a high shot that gets in, Brodeur couldn't see it past Volchenkov  PPGA No Link
12/17/2010 52 Under the left pad Suter's shot was deflected by Erat in the slot, and the puck gets under Brodeur's left pad  PPGA  No Link
12/18/2010 53 Over Brodeur's body Hainsey gets to a long rebound first, fires it over Brodeur No Link
12/18/2010 54 Over left shoulder Boulton at the crease one-times it up and over Brodeur No Link Volchenkov
12/18/2010 55 On right flank Kane gets puck back on give-and-go, one-times it past Brodeur's right flank No Link Fayne
12/18/2010 56 Past/over the glove Ladd gets puck at the top of the right circle, fires a blazer past/over Brodeur's glove and into the top left corner - (possible) screen by Fayne No Link
12/21/2010 57 Low, past left pad Johansson fires a cross-slot pass to Gordon who was breaking to the net. Gordon re-directed it right past Brodeur's left side No Link Elias
12/21/2010 58 Past Brodeur's right pad Steckel feeds a wide-open Beagle in the slot. Beagle beats Brodeur with a point-blank one-timer No Link Corrente
Pelley
12/21/2010 59 Over Brodeur's glove Fayne's torched by Chimera, who has a one-on-one with Brodeur. Fayne hooks, but Chimera smashes a shot over Brodeur's glove anyway No Link Fayne
12/21/2010 60 Under Brodeur's left arm Zubrus' turnover leads to a 2-on-2 with White poking the puck off Ovechkin's stick. Carlson gets to it and blasts a shot through the screen (White) and past Brodeur No Link Zubrus
12/21/2010 61 Through the legs Poti's shot is re-directed by Knuble in front of Brodeur and it squeeks through Brodeur's legs and gets in on the far post No Link White
Tallinder
12/23/2010 62 Past his glove Langenbrunner makes a blind pass to Bailey in the slot, he makes a move, and fires it past Brodeur's glove No Link Langenbrunner
12/23/2010 63 Past Brodeur's left side Brodeur stops MacDonald's shot in traffic, Bailey gets the rebound right in front and puts it in past Brodeur's left  PPGA No Link Tallinder
12/23/2010 64 Over the blocker Brodeur stops Hamonic's slapshot, rebound goes to his right, Tavares takes it and blasts it in over Brodeur's blocker No Link Zubrus
12/23/2010 65 Past Brodeur's pads Brodeur stops Bailey on a breakaway, takes a bump, Nielsen torches Zajac to the rebound who puts it in past Brodeur's stacked pads  SHGA No Link Zajac
12/23/2010 66 Over the right shoulder Schremp sets up Comeau above the left dot, Comeau unloads a one-timer over Brodeur's right shoulder No Link
12/26/2010 67 Over the glove Rolston gives puck away to Armstrong in the slot; Armstrong picks the top left corner of the net No Link Rolston
12/26/2010 68 Through the legs Versteeg fights through Devils, forces a close shot that gets saved; Mitchell is at the crease to put home the rebound No Link White
Tallinder
12/26/2010 69 Over the right shoulder Kulemin curls around out of the reach of Elias, away from Salmela, and fires a short-side shot using Grabovski as a screen No Link Clarkson
Salmela
12/29/2010 70 Well under his glove Rangers rush in during a change, Fedotenko passes it to a wide open Boyle, Boyle sees Brodeur over-commit with the glove and puts it in low Yes Link
12/29/2010 71 Over the left shoulder Dubinsky feeds Rozsival at the left dot, he one-times it, the shot goes off Greene's elbow and goes in short-side No Link


Commentary

Many of the goals allowed from this month alone would be perfect examples of a goaltender getting hung out to dry.  Sure, there were some GAs that didn't have any one particular error by a skater, there were a few that were just bad breaks like GAs #43, 45, and 71.   However, there were some real boneheaded errors that forced Brodeur - and the Devils - to pay the price.

This isn't to say that Brodeur didn't make any mistakes.  From my review, Brodeur gave up 4 soft goals in December.  Yes, only 4.  That's 13.79% of this month's total.  GAs #46 and 50 were on shots that Brodeur had a piece of, but didn't get all of it.  GAs #47 and 70 were the result of over-committing on the play and getting beat by it.  That's it.  I thought about GA #56, but upon repeated viewings - it was in that game against Atlanta, by the by - I thought Mark Fayne may have screened Brodeur on Andrew Ladd's shot.  If you want to mark that against Brodeur, by all means; but the main point is the same.   The vast majority of these GAs should not be held against Brodeur.  He was victimized a lot in just 9 appearances. 

I'm not going to go over each and every skater error. Many of them speak for themselves; but I want to highlight a few.  If you're interested in how devastating a blind pass in the defensive zone can be, just look at what Jamie Langenbrunner did on GA #62 and Brian Rolston on GA #67.  I'm surprised they didn't get assists on those respective goals.  GA #65 is a great example of how an error in the offensive zone can lead to a goal against.  GA #60 is another one if you want to see it happen at 5-on-5.  If you just want to check out how a lack of coverage on rebounds can kill a team's chances in a game, then you have 8 of these go to through.  I'd like to suggest GA #44 as a starting point.   Lastly, you have your classic "the guy just made a bad decision" situations that still can lead some Devils fans (e.g. me) to lament "Why?" outloud at a computer monitor.  GA #49 is the pinnacle of that in this month. Some of these were really hard to watch again, I have to admit.

Essentially, if you want to point fingers, point them at the guys who played in front of the goalie. Then again, if you recall much of how the Devils played in December, then you probably didn't need me to tell you that.  The team was all kinds of bad then.

Location of Goals Allowed

All locations are relative to Brodeur himself, not necessarily where the puck goes into the net.  It's pretty simplistic, but it'll do for general information.

Location Count % Total
Low Left 4 13.79%
Low Middle 4 13.79%
Low Right 2 6.90%
Medium Left 3 10.34%
Medium Middle 0 0.00%
Middle Right 3 10.34%
High Left 9 31.03%
High Middle 1 3.45%
High Right 3 10.34%

Those who believe that Brodeur's glove has gotten weaker will look to this month as evidence.  Several opponents just found ways to get it over his glove and shoulder.  Some were off one-timers and others were just well-placed shots.  In total, high GAs outnumbered low GAs 13 - 10.  It shouldn't be too surprising to see a good percentage of low shots getting past Brodeur, given the number of rebound goals plus a few deflections in this month. Again, you have to hold this in context with the larger review above; the majority of these instances were not the result of Brodeur making a mistake.  More often, it was his skaters.

Your Take

I can assure you that things do get better. The team did start playing much better past the middle of January and the number of boneheaded moves are reduced; leading to better numbers for the goaltenders.  As for this month, the findings certainly surprised me.  I honestly thought I'd see a lot more soft goals; but the video showed otherwise.  With the rest of the team playing like hot garbage, surely Brodeur would have had some off nights of his own.  Yet, that wasn't really the case with the exception of the first period against Detroit on December 11. 

I want to see your take on this.  Were you also surprised to see a count of 4 soft goals out of 29 as I was after seeing these goals?  Do you agree with what I termed as a soft goal and/or as a skater error? Which one of these GAs made you the most angry? (I'm still shocked at GA #49.)  Please give me your answers and your general take on how Brodeur did in December 2010 in the comments.  Thanks for reading.

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Why is the Holmstrom goal a weak goal? If anything it was just a sick deflection where Brodeur might have been screened.. Sure he got a piece of it but if he get’s a piece of a tap in play would that be considered a soft goal too?

by KovyisLove on Aug 3, 2011 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Also, I think the Tavares goal is definitely weak, Brodeur chooses where the rebound goes, he puts it into the slot to the only man uncovered coming in Tavares who because of Brodeur’s rebound control gets to bang it home easily.

by KovyisLove on Aug 3, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brodeur chooses where the rebound goes? I know he’s a future Hall of Famer but I don’t think he controls physics.

With respect to the Holmstrom goal, the tell for me was that Brodeur was able to get a piece on it at all. Normally, I don’t count deflections against goalies, but the puck doesn’t go in off the post if Brodeur didn’t flub it with his glove. It wasn’t like he had to make a big move, he could have kept it out. Hence, I called it soft.

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by John Fischer on Aug 3, 2011 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Goalies jobs are always to control their rebounds. He is supposed to kick out his rebounds to the corners, that’s what goalies work on constantly. It’s the D-mens job to clear rebounds if they are present but the goalie is still supposed to place them in the corner. You think goalies don’t work on purposely kicking out pucks while making a save to control where they go?
Wow, I tried to find a link of Marty kicking out a puck out of the zone on a 5 on 3 in game 7 2009 but for some reason didn’t see it this time…

by KovyisLove on Aug 3, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not doubting that goalies work on kicking out pucks on purpose. I liken it to when forwards work on deflections. Yes, you can practice it over and over; but it’s entirely different to repeat it in a game and get the results you worked on in practice. Moreover, the first, second, and third job for any goaltender is to stop the shot; not necessarily trying to control where the rebound goes – which in many cases the goalie really can’t do too much.

Anyway, I still don’t see how Brodeur made a mistake on GA #64, the Tavares goal. There was absolutely nobody to Brodeur’s right when Hamonic took his shot. The whole idea of rebound control is to put it in a place where it can’t hurt you. Brodeur did that. Zubrus didn’t (couldn’t?) keep up with Tavares so he just strolled in and put it away. Had Zubrus done his job in covering his man, it’s not an easy look for Tavares. Either way, it’s not like Brodeur laid it out for him; ergo, it’s not a soft goal.

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by John Fischer on Aug 3, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if Marty noticed Tavares breaking, he would have put it nicely in the corner instead of kicking it out to the (relative) middle.

by KovyisLove on Aug 3, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he didn’t; and he’s not going to in that case because he had a shot from an entirely different direction, lest he risk missing the shot. Even if he did, how would he even kick Harmonic’s shot into the corner.

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by John Fischer on Aug 3, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goal #45 had a lot of bad bounces, but it was a pretty pathetic attempt at stopping the puck as well.

I still re-live that Detroit game in my nightmares.

#53: not soft but he had 0% chance at stopping the puck because he was on his ass. If he stayed on his feet he would have at least had a shot at stopping the puck. That initial shot should not have induced such a flop to begin with.

#56: ehhh certainly a “coulda”

#60: I didn’t see a screen from either angle.

That Leafs game was pathetic. From the attendance to the play, just absolutely awful. Oh and Rolston yelling the F-word after his big mistake was funny… I never caught that before.

#68: Cover the damn puck.

That’s about it. Great job as always.

by dkball7 on Aug 3, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Now that I have some time to look at the video along with this, I can respond.
  
GA #45 isn’t much different from GA #71; they’re both flukes. Brodeur wasn’t in the wrong spot, the puck took a funny bounce – that’s it.

Brodeur was on his butt before GA #53 because of what happened before Hainsey got the puck. I didn’t do a good job with my description. Brodeur stops a long shot by Sopel at the point and the puck flies up into the air. Brodeur has to scramble to his right while tracking the puck to prevent any short rebounds. He was right to do so, and stopped Andrew Ladd from his attempt while on his butt – since he kept his shot low. Ladd collects the puck, loses it between Zubrus’ legs, the puck rolls to Hainsey who sees Brodeur still recovering and fires it in. Again, my description of this didn’t do this crazy situation justice.

We’re just going to have to agree to disagree on GA #56 since Fayne got in Brodeur’s view point as Ladd was shooting it.

The screen on GA #60 was White; I thought it was quite clear. White wisely pokechecked the puck away from Ovechkin, but the puck didn’t go very far and so he was in a bad spot and right in Brodeur’s line of sight. I don’t believe Brodeur could have saw Carlson’s shot until it was too late. White didn’t mess up on the play, he was just in no man’s land; hence, I didn’t credit him with an error.

Lastly, on GA #68, Versteeg jammed it hard and low on Brodeur. He wasn’t in a position to cover the puck nor could he given what Versteeg did. In that situation, the defense has to either A) get to that rebound first or B) make sure no opposing player can freely get to said rebound. White and Tallinder did neither as both were just puck watching instead of doing anything to Mitchell who was at the crease for a very short rebound.

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by John Fischer on Aug 3, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Can't Judge Brodeur By This

Most of these goals are the defenses fault, but with that being said there are still a chunk that are his fault as well. All you can do though as a goalie is get into the best position possible to stop the puck. In the entire NHL right now there are only about 5 goalies that stand out as being clearly better than the rest. Those goalies also generally have good defenses in front of them.

This past season the Devil’s defense was horrible from a Devil’s perspective and that;s why they missed the playoffs. Because the Devils play defense to such a high quality they don’t need to score too many goals. Because we played so badly last year on D, and we scored less goals than usual is the reason why we were horrible.

Also generally speaking, a goalie is only as good as the team in front of them in most cases.

by Mr. Boom on Aug 3, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

agree

also the only way this analysis would have any meaning whatsoever is if you did this for every nhl goalie and then compare the league average ratio of soft goals to those which are not to brodeur’s ratio. moreover, im sure that the best goalies make more saves on shots that you wouldnt characterize as an easy save, so how does that factor into this analysis? for this to be complete you need to look at every save AND goal as well as those from every other goalie. i see you are doing a significant amount of work on this and appreciate the effort but the numbers dont really indicate anything at all unless you can provide some background information about soft goals allowed by other goalies around the league. again, even with background about the other goalies, this analysis would still be lacking as saves are not being analyzed. could be wrong of course, if anyone else has a better way of rationalizing this info please correct me.

by NJNETS29 on Aug 3, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

also the only way this analysis would have any meaning whatsoever is if you did this for every nhl goalie and then compare the league average ratio of soft goals to those which are not to brodeur’s ratio.

Oh? That’s the only way? Maybe to you, but that’s not at all the point of this review. I’m digging into the events of goals against to get more details on what actually happened to Brodeur in this past season because save percentage, goals against average, and so forth doesn’t really get. The basic question being answered here is: Was Brodeur really as bad as his stats indicated. I don’t need to review the goals allowed by the other 29 teams in the league to do that; and I think that means something when the common inclination on any goal against is to blame the goaltender. Especially in Brodeur’s case since he’s old; every game where he gets lit up is evidence that he needs to rest more, that the team has to get a young goalie, that he’s done, etc., etc. regardless of the facts.

Don’t misunderstand me, it would be fantastic to say Brodeur gave up the most, the least, or the seventeenth most (or whatever) soft goals in the league last season. But it’s not the point of this review.

moreover, im sure that the best goalies make more saves on shots that you wouldnt characterize as an easy save, so how does that factor into this analysis?

It doesn’t. This is a review of goals allowed by Brodeur.

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by John Fischer on Aug 3, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes i understand that
Was Brodeur really as bad as his stats indicated.

What Im saying is that this cant answer that question. Your characterization of Brodeur’s stats as “bad” is relative to the other goalies in the league. To answer the question of whether he was as (relatively) bad as his stat line with this analysis, one cant ignore the ratio of soft goals allowed by the other goalies in the league. For example suppose we didn’t have any information about sv% for goalies in the NHL, we went through all of the devils games in December, and found that Brodeur saved 85% of the shots taken on him. We might be pretty stoked about this knowing that Brodeur saved the vast majority of shots even though the devils gave up a bunch of goals. However, if we also knew the sv% for other goalies it would have quickly put a damper on our excitement. Same principle applies here. Sure Brodeur only let up 4 soft goals out of those 29, but an analysis of Tim Thomas might reveal 0 soft goals for the whole month. For all we know, league average might be 1 soft goal per 50 goals and Brodeur could have actually been god awful in December. Again, all I’m saying is it really doesn’t tell us if Brodeur was good or bad, although it is an interesting read.

by NJNETS29 on Aug 3, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

. Your characterization of Brodeur’s stats as "bad" is relative to the other goalies in the league.

Nope. It’s bad on it’s own. Consider December: a save percentage of 85.3% in a month and allowing 29 goals in 9 games is terrible. No one needs to qualify this by comparing it to other goaltenders. Brodeur got lit up a lot in December, plain and simple. This review goes into how many were really Brodeur’s fault or not. Since most of them aren’t, it’s indicative that Brodeur wasn’t the problem despite how pathetic the numbers state.

Again: It would be fantastic to be able to compare soft goals allowed among the league. It would provide greater insight, I agree. However, that’s well beyond the scope of what I’m doing; and reviewing Brodeur’s goals allowed does get us at least closer to the truth.

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by John Fischer on Aug 3, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also generally speaking, a goalie is only as good as the team in front of them in most cases.

And this is proving that (so far!) instead of relying on generalizations.

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by John Fischer on Aug 3, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was at that game again detroit people started to leave after the 1st period but then the next game i went to was against tampa where we killed them so it evened out

by ALECDK on Aug 3, 2011 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

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