Question: What is so bad about Colin White?
The departure of Colin White, a member of the New Jersey Devils for 11 years, has generated a lot of talk about how the Devils up and coming dmen will be given a chance to showcase their talents next season. To be honest, I expected Devils' Nation, one of the most loyal and dedicated fanbases in the NHL, to talk about as much about what Colin White meant to the team over the past decade rather than what players like Mark Fraser or Matt Taormina can do with their opportunity in 2011-2012. It is always fair to look forward to the future because that is the "bottom line" in any business, but I think we did not give Colin White a fair departure on the blogosphere. Though White was never a top-line, shut down defenseman, he provided upwards of 20 minutes of ice time/game and was one of the main penalty killers on the Devils for many years.
Then, it hit me! The reason Colin White's departure was not as heavily scrutinized or even mourned (the way we would mourn the loss of Patrik Elias) is because a fair share of Devils fans disliked Colin White, an argument which never sat right with me. Therefore, for anyone who would like to voice their opinion on why they disliked Colin White, the floor is yours. Please comment what you disliked about him (preferably something that can be backed up with stats) and why you feel getting rid of him will ultimately help the Devils towards future success.
Or, more appropriately, talk about why you liked Colin White and what were some of your favorite "White" moments.
Have fun!
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I remember last playoffs against the Flyers when in front the net, he blocked unintentionally Kovy’s one-timer with his own skate on a PP. Boucher was nowhere near to make a save, that was just a goal, & if i’m correct that was during the last game of the series. I was so frustrated !
truth is, It wasn’t even his fault, just unfortunate & I don’t think ppl really hated him but once again with Devils, it was more about his cap-hit.
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first let me say that i always liked colin and hoped he would be a devil for life. now let me say why he frustrated so many fans over the years. i know people will call it confirmation bias, but lets call a spade a spade; the guy always played his worst when it mattered the most. this has nothing to do with corsi or any other behind the net stats.
1) 2003 game 7 against ottawa: he was on for both goals against, and he was caught way out of position on the first one
2) 2008 game 5 against new york: right after the devils scored the first goal, 18 seconds later he gives the puck away to jagr behind the net and he lays the puck in front for rozival who layed it in. lets also not forget how the second goal hit off his skate, although thats not really his fault.
3) 2009 game 2 against carolina: he goes for the big hit when it was totally unneeded and put himself way out of position and it gave samsonov an easy shot which then led the the staal goal.
4) 2010 game 3 against philly: he was unable to come up with the puck behind the net in overtime and it led to the carcillo goal.
he played hard and had a lot of heart, but when the game mattered the most he would always do something to draw the ire of fans.
1) They won that game. And went on to win the Cup. inconsequential mistake. I’m not going to look up the rest.
Wow, 4 times in an 11 season career he made memorable gaffes. That’s a freaking reason to PRAISE him, not knock him. Everybody makes mistakes. Some of everybody’s mistakes lead to goals. It’s called being human. No, he didn’t score a lot. No, he didn’t hit a lot after he FREAKING LOST AN EYE AND KEPT PLAYING. But who was on the ice more often than pertty much anybody else when the game was on the line and the opponent’s top line was pressing? Jon Colin White. So the Devils blew some of those games. It was going to happen X number of times. That’s the game. I hope you’re perfect in your job, otherwise you might get fires.
If the Devils can’t win the Cup in 2012, I’m rooting for the Sharks!!!
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Frank, be real, pointing out 4 mistakes from memory means there are plenty more, and the caveat was ‘when it mattered most’, meaning the Playoffs.
Yes, Colin White continued to play after almost losing his eye, and he gets praised for that. He was in our organization for almost 15 years and he gets praised for that. If he wasn’t making $3M after his eye injury, he wouldn’t be dogged here much at all.
It was just the end of his road here in NJ.
This whole ‘eye injury seriously affected Colin White’s play’ is just not something I find particularly accurate or true.
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If anything was affected it was his tendency to fight, and slightly hits; looking at recent RTSS stats on nhl.com…
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Considering John wrote 2 posts (one and two) last summer showing that Colin White DID perform reasonably well when compared against he $3M/yr peers, he shouldn’t have been dogged at all. Almost nobody on the Devils earned their salary in 2010-11 so the points are still valid.. Yeah, maybe there would have been fewer complaints if he was making $2M the past few seasons; but again, everybody makes mistakes, and when you’re intent on knocking one player, you’re going to point his out more than others. And fans are always going to use the negatives against a player and overlook the 98% of the time that he isn’t beat badly. As far as defensemen that played for the Devils recently; I’d rather Colin White be back on a 2 on 1 or 1 on 1 than just about anybody else. I’ve seen plenty of times when he played them perfectly.
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and when you’re intent on knocking one player, you’re going to point his out more than others
The opposite is also true.
The opposite is also true.
Because of the nature of a defensive defenseman, his mistakes will be much more obvious than his ‘great plays’.
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His CORSI REL was -6.7 while Taormina’s was 2.1 (and he only plalyed during the crappy part of the season) Fayne’s was 7.7. OUCH
Let’s go to Behind the Net. Taormina played weak competition and Fayne often played along side the defenseman with the one of the best on-ice Corsi values in the league. Plus, Corsi Rel only tells you what it was between on-ice Corsi and off-ice Corsi. White was just below 0 and if you adjust for zone starts, he’ll come out just ahead. Not that White was a possession beast or anything, but he wasn’t a sinkhole either.
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It seems that way, also by Corsi Rel QoC (average relative Corsi of opposition, I believe it’s an average?) Salmela played almost exclusively under Lemaire and for some reason, Lemaire thought it was a good idea for Greene-Salmela to work as a pairing from February on. Since that pairing took on a lot of minutes, Salmela saw quite a bit of tough competition. Tallinder, Greene, and White all were shifted around throughout the season due to injuries and MacLean, so their competition and place in the lineup varied more than Salmela’s.
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By his nature and playing style, Colin White is one of those guys you don’t really notice out there all that often…. and most of the time when he does gain attention it is for something he’s done wrong. That’s part of being a defensive defenseman who doesn’t put up eye-popping numbers on the scoresheet, be they goals and assists, or hits, or blocked shots. The casual fan isn’t going to see anything noteworthy to appreciate him for, so they’re simply going to be left with the vitriol and hatred when something goes awry.
I worry for the poor, young defenseman who will be asked to do all the things Colin White routinely did without much fanfare for the last decade. When he screws up (and he will), you’ll hear the outcry that we need a steady, veteran, stay-at-home defenseman like Colin White…. only the guy will be toiling 3000 miles away in central California because you don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone.
by acasser on Aug 4, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
very well stated
He was the guy that could only be noted for doing wrong and never appreciated for the casual or safe plays he routinely made to get the puck out of the zone. the thing I’ll miss about Colin was his battle level and his temper which could often frustrate fans as when he would take an opponent too far physically sometimes when it wasn’t necessary. It could tick me off sometimes but I did appreciate his effort and intensity.
I think most fans were just delerious , just as I was, when presented with more cap space and roster room and forgot that all these young guys have potential and right now thats about it. In the long run it was overdue but Colin was a well trained and steady NHL defenceman and will be missed on some nights early next season but hopefully with the extra Cap space the ZP deal gets done and the team gets improved with youth and maybe some trade deadline deals.
He’s not “trying out” for anything. Jim Vandermeer is now San Jose’s 7th defenseman, while Colin White will play steady minutes on San Jose’s third pairing and PK units. The Sharks wouldn’t give him a million dollars if he didn’t have an established role to step into — they’re too close to the cap to spend money so cavalierly, and their GM is too good and too smart to do the same.
My complaints about Colin White are much more personal. He made a crucial mistake in every game I attended for years (Kings/Ducks vs. Devils games in SoCal until I was unable to afford to continue going to games). He was usually caught too far away from the player with the puck, and too close to Brodeur, effectively screening Marty and helping the opposing player score an easy goal with a simple wristshot. Every game I’ve attended has been a one goal game, and every game I walked away thinking, “If Colin White hadn’t screwed up, they might have won.”
Colin White may do all the little things right the rest of the time, but anyone at those games I attended could point to White’s botched defensive assignment and say it was the turning point of the game (if not flat out the game-winning goal against).
Couldn't really express my feelings on Colin White with statistics but...
here are my top 10 quotes that sum up my current emotional status pertaining to Mr. White.
1.Time goes by a lot slower when you miss Colin White.
2. I did three things today; miss you, miss you, and miss you. (Colin White)
3. A day without you is like a day without sunshine… I miss you…Colin White.
4. Love is missing Colin White whenever you’re apart, but somehow feeling warm inside because you’re close in heart.
5. If I had a single flower for every time I think about Colin White, I could walk forever in my garden.
6. Colin White…missing you could turn from pain to pleasure, if I knew you were missing me too.
7. You may be out of my sight Colin White… but never out of my mind… I Miss You!
8. I heard someone whisper your name Colin White, but when I turned around to see who it was, I was alone. Then I realized that it was my
heart telling me that I miss you.
9. When I miss Colin White, I don’t have to go far … I just have to look inside my heart because that’s where I’ll find him.
10. I dropped a tear in the ocean. The day I find it is the day I will stop missing Colin White.
I hope to join Claude Lemieux in Hell one day for a beer....
Someone needs to forward that to Colin White. He’ll either be very flattered or get a restraining order.
White Was an Average Player Who is Clearly No Longer Needed
White was never a bad player; in fact, he was an average player. He played will for the Devils and any Devils fan that hates him is misguided. I made the argument in the beggining of the offseason as to why White was expendable and probably on the trade block. I received some erroneous and ignorant feedback from some users, espesially the user acasser, but many if not most users agreed with me, and as it turns out I was right: Lou himself confirmed that he had been shopping White before the buyout. The reasons are the same ones I gave a couple months back and they have nothing to do with White’s stats and everything to do with his salary and the the other players we have at his position already. So I’ll reiterate what I said back then. Put plainly, what White does bring to the Devils in terms of skill set is redundant and more than adequately fulfilled by other players on the Devils roster who are either (1) younger and quicker than White or (2) make a lot less money that White. Volchenkov and Tallinder at two players who bring White’s size and strength skill set but frankly better and younger. In addition, there are a host of players including Fayne, Fraser, and Urbom who are young and cheap and more than capable of developing into his role if given the opportunity (Fayne is arguably already there, and I think Fayne’s emergence is one reason Lou is more than comfortable getting rid of White). There is also the likely return of Salvador who once again plays a rather similar game as White. Hence, there are potentially at least six players who do what White does already on the Devils with some combination of better, younger, and cheaper depending on which of the players I have mentioned you pick. Now an NHL team only really need two or perhaps three (though I think three is one to much) of basically one dimensional stay at home, clear the front of the net, D Men. Thats right, two, maximum three. We already have two proven and better than White in Volchenkov and Tallinder. That means at most we really only need one of the other four I have mentioned to pan out. Fayne seems rather likely considering what he did last year and its possible Salvador and Fayne will make the team. Should that be the case we are again at an excess of Defensive D men even without White on the team. What we need is puck moving defenseman and we have one who is average at best (greene) and we hope for the emergence of at least one other, hopefully two (Taromina, Larsson). But what is clear is that without White on the team, the Devils are more than set in his skill set, probably still too many player who do what White do on the team. He was a very good player and important player at a time. He aged and slowed down, and his salaray was not equal to his need. Younger, cheaper, and at least in two or potentially three cases, better, players are available to the Devils. Case closed as I argued two months ago and as Lou apparently agrees.
Tallinder and Fayne are not “one-dimensional, stay at home, clear the front of the net” defensemen…. unless you’ve got a much different definition of those terms than the rest of us.
Doesn’t matter. Facts, reality and contrary evidence do nothing to dissuade this one.
He called to be rid of White for his own bizarre, indefensible reasons, and when White was let go for entirely different reasons, he was right and everyone else was wrong. Don’t you see?
It doesn’t matter that he completely misremembers entire conversations; he was right and so he can twist, contort and otherwise misrepresent entire arguments as some form of personal persecution to martyr himself because what he wanted to happen happened.
I say we all chip in and give him the 16 foot golden statue in front of the Prudential Center he so richly deserves, and start petitions to get him on the Devils scouting team, as well as getting him on Lou Lamoriello’s speed dial so he can call any time he has a question about anything.
Very interesting how your reply doesnt address or refute any of the arguments I made then or have repeated now. As you will recall, I argued over two months ago the Devils should be and would be looking to move White. As it happens, this was exactly what was going on, Lou was shopping him. He is overpaid and his skill or no longer needed. Hence, the buyout after months of Lou not finding a taker on White. When you have an actual argument or are willing to aknowledge that you were wrongheaded about White two months ago, try writing again.
p.s. the above reply was intended for both elesias and acasser, operating under the the by no means clear assumption that you are two different people who happen to be equally unwilling to aknowledge you were wrongheaded about White (and about the Langenbrunner and Arnott being traded…..oh yesss, I am sure you will not conventiently not be able to recall that I argued a trade was in the best interests of Langs and Arnott as well as the Devils, but your position was there was no market for two players having subpar years with no trade clauses….yes wrong there as well).
Congratulations! You managed to get a few points correct. Would you like a cookie?
I argued over two months ago the Devils should be and would be looking to move White. As it happens, this was exactly what was going on, Lou was shopping him.
Any general manager worth his title will touch base with his colleagues frequently to gauge the value of all his players. Usually, that sort of information doesn’t trickle out to the media or the general public, but such actions are a fact of life in professional sports. It’s the bad GM who doesn’t participate in such a “feeling out” process and then doesn’t have the information handy about how other teams view his players, their own players, their own needs, etc.
So Lou Lamorello was actively trying to trade Colin White and there were no takers. The former surprises me (and a number of others) because we feel he is still a solid #3 defenseman. That there were no takers does not surprise me, because his injury and his no-trade clause combined with his cap hit depresses his value. You bring up points that “he is overpaid” and “he is overrated” as if those are qualities unique to Colin White. Here’s a newsflash for you: there are a ton of overpaid players in this League, and there are a ton of overrated players in this League.
I can tell you’re gleeful that Colin White is gone. Just remember that when a point comes during this season where Mark Fayne or Mark Fraser or some other “kid” botches a play that Colin White would handle cleanly and routinely and it costs the Devils a game.
When you have an actual argument or are willing to aknowledge that you were wrongheaded about White two months ago, try writing again.
Did you even bother reading my remarks in other threads and my comment above that has been rec’ed enough times to turn green? Is that not a good enough argument for you, or should I have lowered myself to your level and gone with the ad hominem attacks in lieu of actual facts?
My opinion is that Colin White should have been kept and allowed to play out the last year of his deal. There is very little in the way of financial/cap savings — after you factor in the dead cap space for next season and the cash/cap required to fill White’s spot on defense, you’re looking at net savings of less than half a million. There will be a drop in talent and play as well, because a rookie isn’t going to step in and be the steady defensive defenseman that Colin White is. You’re going to end up with other players taking on increased minutes and tougher roles because any rookie brought up to replace White is going to be protected to some degree (or exploited to death by opposing forwards).
Did you watch this team during the first half of last season when there were a pile of injuries and a revolving door between Albany and Newark to provide healthy bodies for the blue line? During John MacLean’s tenure, the Devils played 12 different guys on defense — including 6 rookies and 2 near-rookies (Salmela and Fraser). When you’re running that many unproven kids out there and always changing up your personnel, it’s hard to generate any chemistry and consistency and the whole team suffers from a lack of continuity. You’re asking an awful lot out of players who haven’t adjusted to the NHL level and who may not be (or may never be) as good as you’d like them to be.
If Bryce Salvador isn’t healthy enough to be a consistent presence on defense next season, you’ll be asking rookies and otherwise (relatively) unproven talent to fill three of the six spots on a regular basis. The Ducks of 2007 made it work to the tune of Stanley Cup Champions because their Top 3 on “D” was good enough that each could eat close to 30 minutes per night at a very high level. The Devils of 2011 won’t have that luxury: Greene and Tallinder and Volchenkov are not nearly as good, nor are they capable of handling that heavy a playing load.
Finally, if Colin White sucks as much as you’d like to believe, a legitimate Stanley Cup contender wouldn’t have signed him to a deal worth double the League minimum hours after he cleared waivers…. especially when there are many other veteran defensemen out there who likely would have taken less to put their signature on the dotted line. The Sharks believe he has something left…. and considering they’ve won more playoff rounds than almost everybody the last two years, they’re doing something right.
by acasser on Aug 6, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very interesting how your reply doesnt address or refute any of the arguments I made then or have repeated now.
This is neither the time nor the place to rehash the arguments that dragged on far too long in other threads.
As you will recall, I argued over two months ago the Devils should be and would be looking to move White. As it happens, this was exactly what was going on, Lou was shopping him.
Congratulations? Then, as now, your reasons for arguing so were a short-sighted emotional responses and are not why he was let go.
He is overpaid and his skill or no longer needed.
As was shown repeatedly in the other threads, this is still wrong. Besides ignoring or dismissing advanced statistics that point to the contrary, this stance is based on your arguments that White was redundant because of your misguided and enduring beliefs that Tallinder and Fayne play the same style as White, and that Fraser and Corrente can seamlessly replace him.
Hence, the buyout after months of Lou not finding a taker on White.
It could be that Lou perceives a drop in his play or else foresees one coming, but it’s more likely that a lifetime Devil and serviceable 2nd pairing defenseman in the last year of his contract was bought out for exactly what Lou said—budgetary reasons. It’s also possible, though increasingly unlikely, that there is another move in the works and White will be replaced from outside the organization.
When you have an actual argument or are willing to aknowledge that you were wrongheaded about White two months ago, try writing again.
The original argument that you never properly or intelligently addressed from the old threads still stands.
p.s. the above reply was intended for both elesias and acasser, operating under the the by no means clear assumption that you are two different people who happen to be equally unwilling to aknowledge you were wrongheaded about White (and about the Langenbrunner and Arnott being traded…..oh yesss, I am sure you will not conventiently not be able to recall that I argued a trade was in the best interests of Langs and Arnott as well as the Devils, but your position was there was no market for two players having subpar years with no trade clauses….yes wrong there as well).
You continue to misrepresent the arguments, either through apparent ignorance in not understanding them or through a deliberate attempt to mislead… neither of which are acceptable. In your attempts to publicly crow about how right you were you merely continue to demonstrate how misguided you are.

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