Rod Pelley: A Fourth Liner On the Bubble in New Jersey
While there's at least a month away until training camp begins, it's already apparent to me that the left and right wing spots for the fourth line are going to a source of competition. Going into the New Jersey Devils' offseason, David Steckel and Rod Pelley were already under contract for the 2011-12 season. Steckel is one of the top faceoff men in the league, so I would think he's got the center position locked up.
As the offseason went on, the Devils re-signed Vladimir Zharkov and then dipped into the UFA market to sign Eric Boulton, Cam Janssen, and Stephane Veilleux. Zharkov was utilized as a left winger on the fourth line to success; Boulton and Janssen are "energy guys" at best and "designated fists" at worst - and both can only really play on a fourth line; and Veilleux is a defensive winger who's suited for a bottom six forward role. Suddenly, there's 5 wingers for 2 open spots. Throw in the possibility of Tim Sestito (I sure hope he's not an option, but he'll be involved), Stephen Gionta (ditto), Adam Henrique (has potential), and others from Albany and the fight becomes that much more crowded.
If I'm Rod Pelley, then I have to make a very good case in training camp. What he did last season will not be enough to hand him a spot in the lineup even on the fourth line.
Last season, he wasn't very good on the Devils. His basic stats in 2010-11 were nondescript. Pelley played 74 games, put in 3 goals on 88 shots, added 7 assists, and averaged 11:38 per game - 10:17 at even strength, 1:23 on the penalty kill. Those shouldn't be so surprising, given that Pelley's a checking forward on the fourth line. He's not going to contribute much; but at the same time, only the PK time stands out as a positive in Pelley's favor. I'd also consider Pelley winning 52.8% of his draws as another plus; except with Steckel on the roster, I think Pelley's only going to take draws if someone gets thrown out of a draw or if a center is hurt.
The advanced stats better show Pelley's struggles at even strength last season. According to Behind the Net's numbers for Devils forwards who have played at least 20 games in 10-11, Pelley had the worst on-ice Corsi on the team at -7.92 and with the fourth lowest Corsi Rel QoC at -0.240. By the latter metric, only Vladimir Zharkov, Jacob Josefson, and Adam Mair faced weaker competition. Though, Zharkov and Josefson were positive when it came to Corsi on top of having actual NHL potential; and Mair is (hopefully) not re-signed. While Pelley suffered some bad combinations, it's clear good things didn't happen when he was on the ice even with limited minutes. Factor in the lack of production, and I'm not seeing that Pelley brought much to the table even in a fourth line role.
So what are Pelley's chances at being one of the wingers for the fourth line in 10-11? Let's consider his non-Albany competitors. Well, in my view, he's not better than Zharkov. Zharkov actually has had a positive effect on possession on the ice in his two half-seasons of NHL hockey. Should the Devils give him a full season, he'll likely shoot as much as Pelley does and for all we know, he'll be just as productive on the scoresheet while helping drive the play a little. That's a big improvement over what Pelley can do.
I don't think Pelley's behind everyone. Pelley could have an edge over the recent signings of Boulton and Janssen. What is in Pelley's favor is that while he faced weak competition, it was stronger than the competition Boulton and Janssen faced. Pelley's terrible on-ice Corsi rate smokes Janssen's atrocious rate; though, Boulton has a slighly better on-ice Corsi than Pelley, but it's not much for it to be a huge factor in my mind. Yet, this won't be the reason either could get minutes over Pelley. Should the team feel they need an "enforcer" or a "hitter" for a game, then one of Boulton or Janssen will get into the lineup - simple as that.
The wild card is Stephann Veilleux. He didn't play at all last season; but in 2009-10, he was in a similar fourth line role on Tampa Bay. He got limited minutes like Pelley has been, though Veilleux actually faced a decent level of competition according to Behind the Net. Veilleux put up a negative on-ice Corsi rate, but it's not nearly as bad as Pelley's while facing tougher opponents than Pelley ever had in the last two seasons. Should Veilleux be healthy and effective in camp, then he would be a better defensive winger than Pelley; which should be followed by Veilleux taking a roster spot in Pelley's place.
Given that rather big "if" regarding Veilleux, I would prefer a fourth line of Veilleux-Steckel-Zharkov as it stands. Pelley's on the outside looking in here; but I don't think Pelley will end up in the minors, though. For one, he's got a one-way contract. Sending him down will be a bit difficult, the Devils may prefer to send down someone with a two-way deal before looking to send down Pelley. For another, he'll be able to step in easily as a spare forward when injuries take place. In fact, if Veilleux doesn't make his case in camp, then I could see Pelley taking his spot instead if only because playing Eric Boulton as a regular forward is a pretty poor idea. Right now, he's a basically on the bubble. Should Pelley prove himself as a winger in camp, of course, then he should make the 12-man forward lineup regularly.
Even if he succeeds in that regard, it's in Pelley's best interest to keep pushing himself. His past body of work isn't all that impressive, so should he want a NHL contract beyond 2012, Pelley's going to have to do what he can to have a good season. What do you think Pelley needs to do in 2011-12 to get there? Do you agree that Pelley is on the bubble in New Jersey? Who do you see making New Jersey's fourth line out of training camp? Please leave your thoughts and other Pelley-related thoughts in the comments. Thank you for reading.
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I would agree that Pelley is on the bubble. There are a lot of other players potentially there to take his spot. I think that he is a good player, but that he will in fact have to step up his game to make the team again. I like the idea of him playing with Steckel, his buddy in college, as they should still have chemistry there, but still, he would have to pick up his game.
While Veilleux was a decent tough minutes player for several years, he didn’t do all that well in Europe last year. So, I’m not assuming he’s as good as he was until he proves that.
I think the 4th line, assuming no injuries, will be Boulton-Steckel-Zharkov, with Pelley and Janssen as extras. Pelley will get in 50-60 games and Janssen into 40-50.
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I agree that should be the fourth line, but the only coach to see Zharkov’s value thus far has been Jacques Lemaire. IIRC, he didn’t get into a single game with MacLean behind the bench despite all the injuries and struggles…MacLean even tried Pelley as a 2nd/3rd line center for a while there. Hopefully DeBoer won’t be so idiotic/desperate.
I’m not sure Pelley and Janssen will get into so many games. My feeling is that the first guy to get the call in case of injury to a top-9 forward will be Henrique, rather than promote one of the fourth liners to the third line.
John MacLean had one of those games where he didn’t have a fourth line due to lack of personnel…. so everyone was at least a third-liner on that particular afternoon. I recall a couple of the guys like Pelley commenting after the game that it was a lot of fun (other than losing the game 3-1) because they played substantially more than they were accustomed to on any given night. (/snark)
John MacLean also showed favoritism to guys he had at Lowell the previous season and less favoritism to guys he didn’t have. Consider the amount and quality of playing time for Matt Taormina (who spent all of 2009-2010 at Lowell) as compared to Vladimir Zharkov (who spent most of the campaign in Newark). It wasn’t an absolute, mind you, but it did seem to explain why certain people got recalled when there was roster shuffling, and why certain people got to play expanded roles and minutes.
Personally, I think Pelley will end up an extra forward. He’s serviceable as a fourth liner and a penalty killer…. and one thing not mentioned above is that he’s willing to drop the gloves when it becomes necessary (something Veilleux doesn’t do nearly as often). It doesn’t seem like it should count for very much, but I imagine many of us would be much happier if Pelley is dropping the gloves and not someone who is expected to provide greater benefits (e.g. David Clarkson) or someone who is going to log heavier minutes (e.g. whomever makes the third pairing on defense).
injuries, yeah. i also don’t expect boulton and zharkov to play every night, i think they’ll play around 60 games also.
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I would prefer a fourth line of Veilleux-Steckel-Zharkov
ditto! ;)
You say there are 5 for 2 spots. I’m saying 4 for 1. Cause in my mind Zharkov has a spot or at least it is his to lose.
And two of those for are an either/or situation regardless. Boulton AND Janssen can’t both be in the lineup. Boulto would be the better choice of the two, and Janssen is PL3 with a little more smarts.
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This is an atrocious idea (Because of Clarkson's contract),
but has anyone ever thought to move Zharkov into one of the higher lines? He seems like he has some potential offensively and if it werent for Clarky’s terrible contract then I would rather see Zharkov getting the third line minutes. I think Pelley could easily make the fourth line this year though. I mean he wasnt good last year, but not alot of fourth liners are all that productive and he wasnt terrible so I would give him the nod for another year unless someone comes out and wows people in camp in the fight for fourth line.
Unless Zharkov proves that he can shoot at an acceptable rate, there is no way any coach will give him more than 4th line ice time (+PK time).
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 7, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Pelley’s determination, attitude on the ice and the way he stands up for his team mates. But, watching him over the past few seasons I don’t think he has the talent that will allow him to beat out some of the younger players fighting for a roster spot.
Defensively he’s pretty good, but no real threat offensively. Based on the talent pool available (returning players and those in the minors), I don’t feel he will be able to win a spot even on the fourth line. After all, skill wins out.
Pelley’s talent is limited and unless Veilleux has remarkably improved, he is headed for Albany along with Janssens, Sestito and Gionta. I think Steckel-Boulton-Zharkov is the best option with Pelley as a spare forward. Henrique has talent but it might be better keeping him in Albany another year unless he has a great training camp and they decide he is ready now.
I like the line of Veilleux, Steckel & Zharkov. But I also think Zharkov would fit in on the 3rd line. He’s pretty reliable defencively. Last year J.L. had him on the penalty kill also and he was quite good at it. I was pleasantly supprised. I think that he and Clarkson will both see playing time at 3rd line right wing this year. Depending on who’s playing better at given times of the year.
As for Pelley, same as ussual. He’ll be on the 4th line or a healthy scratch. Unless he’s vastly improved. One thing I can say about him is that he seems more comfortable now playing in the league now that he plays more regularly, and he knows his role better now. Hit fight and create energy. He also seems somewhat decent on the draws now too. Up untill last year I couldn’t stand seeing him playing center but last year he played o.k. at center so I don’t mind him so much playing there now. But theres no way your going to have him at center with Steckel in the lineup.
How about him taking a puck to the face, being taken to the hospital, going through a cat scan, and then coming back to the rock with a full cage to get playing time in the final 10 minutes of a meaningless 6-1 blowout against Buffalo when the entire team didn’t show up?
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What does that have to do with anything? Lots of players who get hurt get medical attention and try to get back to the game as soon as they can – it doesn’t mean that he deserves a roster spot.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Aug 8, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Boulton's on a one-way
He’ll be playing, or at least in the press-box.
I don’t expect to see Veilleux anywhere but Albany.

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