Scott Niedermayer's Jersey Retirement Ceremony on December 16th
Niedermayer's #27 will join Scott Stevens' #4 and Ken Daneyko's #3 high in the rafters at Prudential Center. The Devils play the Dallas Stars at 7 p.m. The link is from the Devils website with a nice bio and a quote from Lou.
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I still don’t entirely agree with this. Yes, Nieds was a force for us. Yes, he was a big contributing factor to our success. But him leaving the way he did still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I agree there shouldn’t be any booing. That’s tasteless. But I won’t be shocked if there is.
by SonicJoe on Sep 26, 2011 4:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why? He was an UFA and chose to go elsewhere, which is his right as an UFA.
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by John Fischer on Sep 26, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Marty could’ve chosen to go elsewhere. Stevens could’ve chosen to go elsewhere. Daneyko could’ve chosen to go elsewhere. They didn’t. That’s why their numbers are/will be retired.
Nieds jumped ship when the franchise needed him the most. He was offered everything to stay, but turned his back on us. He did this to play with his brother, despite the fact that Lou had tried (and eventually, after the fact, succeeded) to acquire Rob.
I’m not saying he wasn’t a great player. I just don’t believe he deserves to have his number retired. Not now anyway. Maybe after Marty’s number is retired. To me you retire the numbers of players who made sacrifices and gave their all for the franchise. I don’t feel that he did because of the way he left.
And I’m hardly alone among the fanbase.
by SonicJoe on Sep 26, 2011 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok. I’m coming off as really bitter here. Before I dig myself too deep of a hole here, I want to go on the record as emphasizing that I’m conflicted about this, not against it. There are many reasons to retire his number. He was amazing, and he played for us for the majority of his career.
I would rather hold off in it until some life long Devils have their numbers retired. Marty is the perfect example of this. He grew up in Montreal and was a huge Habs fan. I’m sure Montreal would’ve gladky picked him up on the UFA market, and paid him max salary for the privilege. He passed up that opportunity and took less money to stay with the Devs. That’s a classy player. You might call it a stupid business decision, but he made plenty of money, and continues to give his all to stay with the franchise. He does/did this because he IS a Devil, first and foremost. Nieds was in it for himself, not the team.
So, although I can agree he was an integral part of our team for a significant amount of time, so were John MacLean and many others. We didn’t retire their numbers (John’s ship sailed after last season). Why Nieds?
by SonicJoe on Sep 26, 2011 6:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Scott Niedermayer was a generational talent. He was a huge part of three Cup winners, and probably should have won the Conn Smythe Trophy in 2003. Outside of Martin Brodeur, he is the only Devil ever to win a major NHL award (he captured the Norris in 2004).
I can understand the anger over the manner of his departure — especially considering he deferred his FA decision to the point where there wasn’t a whole lot left on the open market to replace him once he bolted. That shouldn’t take away from how magnificent a player he was and what he accomplished in a Devils’ uniform. There’s also no particular reason to “wait until other Devils get their number retired” (specifically, Brodeur and Elias). Will it really matter five or ten years from now which numbers got retired in which order? Won’t it be “enough” that Niedermayer had to wait more than a year after retiring, whereas I imagine Elias and Brodeur will have their numbers retired a few short months after they retire?
The next time I see my friend whose tickets I get to share now and again, I’m going to ask if he has that game…. and if so, I mean to be there. If so, I might even take my #27 jersey out from behind its protective gear to wear to the game instead of the Brodeur jersey I normally wear to games — I have a game-worn, autographed Niedermayer NJ captain’s jersey from the HockeyFightsCancer auction circa 2004, from the first night that Nieds wore the “C” after Scott Stevens got concussed. The passage of time has dulled my anger…. that, and Scott Gomez’s departure to the Rangers by way of UFA after he spent a season declaring loudly and often that he would never sign with the Blueshirts. I’m ready to forgive and forget, and I hope most Devils’ fans feel the same way.
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As for John MacLean, I don’t view him in the same light as Niedermayer and Stevens, Brodeur and Elias. He doesn’t sit on that kind of pedestal, because outside of his franchise records (which shortly will no longer be his), he doesn’t invoke any particular nostalgia in me beyond the goal that got the franchise into the 1988 playoffs.
(And don’t get me started on Kenny Daneyko, who was a very nice player but not worthy of a jersey retirement IMO. I’ve posed the argument in many other threads that Daneyko belongs in a “Ring of Honor” group, as opposed to the elite who get their number retired for all time.)
I can agree on the Daneyko point. On the rest I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
by SonicJoe on Sep 26, 2011 7:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gomez won the Calder as well, and Madden won the Selke…or do you not consider those to be “major?”
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by Marty 4 Prez on Sep 26, 2011 7:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My definition of “Major” is the Big 3: Hart, Vezina, Norris. One for the League MVP (usually a forward), one for the best goalie, one for the best defenseman. A bit elitist, but those are the trophies given to three of the best players in the League for that year.
Nothing against the Calder, although (in my opinion) it’s as much about who gets the opportunity to play and who makes the most of said opportunity…. but the field for that trophy can be very uneven from year to year.
Nothing against the Selke, which is a fine trophy…. but we’ve seen far too many years where it is given for reputation. I will concede that the Vezina and Norris also suffer from the same hindrance from time-to-time, but we often see the same three nominees for the Selke on a yearly basis, regardless of the particulars of a given season.
I can agree with that. It makes sense. Pretty much saying that the big three are for the best of three positions. makes sense. However, I would consider the Calder a pretty prestigious trophy. To be considered the best rookie of that year. If you look at the winners. They are all very good players. However, some have fallen off a bit (Mason), but there are still three kids who usually make it a tough decision.
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His gp is only third to Stevens and Daneyko, and he is tops in franchise history in goals, assists and points as a defenseman. Not to mention he was one of a very select few to have played on all 3 Cup teams. There’s no way they can’t retire his number, and no way they shouldn’t. What he did as a UFA in the later years in his career doesn’t take away from the great things he did in his 12 years with NJ.
I’m sure we’ll be seeing 30 and 26 up there with those guys in the next couple years. Great to see the history the Devils have built in such a (comparatively to other teams) short time.
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Neids was a driving force behind 3 Cup victories in NJ. One of the top d-men of the past 2 decades. Yeah his departure wasn’t the cleanest break in history, but it is hardly a reason to keep him out of the rafters.
Status quo.
As a Devils fan you can’t really be conflicted about this. Despite the fact that Scott eventually left the team, he was a living legend and a core cornerstone that made this franchise successful. One could argue that without him, we don’t win 3 or even 2 Cups. He was THAT good. Yes, I wish he would have stayed. I think he had one foot out the door for a pretty long time, long before most people realize. But despite the end result, he is still the 2nd best defensemen to ever wear a Devils uniform, and we’re talking about a team that is literally built upon the foundation of defense.
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