How do the Devils Top Two Lines Compare to Their Hated Rivals? (Atlantic Division)
The Devils are a little over halfway through the season and we have seen seven players with at least 10 goals, and most of them have hit at least twenty points as well. Since hockey is a team game, I wondered what this meant in terms of how strong the Devil's lines are.
The Atlantic Division, until last night, had four of its five teams in the top eight of the Eastern Conference. This brought an idea to my mind, who has the best scoring lines in the highly competitive division? I took a look at the top two lines for each team in the division and found some interesting results.
First off, I gathered most of the stats from nhl.com and the relative corsi statistic from behindthenet.ca. I covered only the top two lines for each team because a vast majority of each teams scoring came from those two lines. I'll start with Jersey's team:
Zach Parise - Adam Henrique - Ilya Kovalchuk
Petr Sykora - Patrik Elias - Dainius Zubrus
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Line # |
AVG Corsi |
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1 |
121 |
45 |
65 |
110 |
-1.00 |
45 |
7 |
394 |
12.13 |
2.6 |
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2 |
128 |
37 |
47 |
84 |
-2.33 |
64 |
6 |
257 |
15.2 |
9.1 |
The Devils' top line has put up 110 points with 121 games played between the three skaters. This line is averaging .9 points per game while the second line is averaging .66 points per game. Each line is shooting between 12 and 15 percent, not shabby. Another thing that I anticipated, the second line is way better at puck possession; their average relative corsi is about 6 higher than the first line. The first line has taken about 140 more shots than the second line. This is not a bad one-two punch. In order to really see how good these lines are, we need to look at the other four teams in the division. Next we will look at the team from across the Hudson, the Rangers:
Artem Anisimov - Derek Stepan - Marian Gaborik
Brandon Dubinksy - Brad Richards - Ryan Callahan
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Line # |
AVG Corsi |
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1 |
119 |
39 |
44 |
83 |
11.00 |
54 |
8 |
291 |
12.5 |
3.33 |
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2 |
120 |
34 |
49 |
83 |
5.00 |
125 |
10 |
297 |
10.96 |
1.63 |
The Rags' have a more balanced first two lines, with each line averaging about .69 points per game. The Rangers' top lines have overall lower shooting percentages and lower corsis as well. They do have more game winning goals from their top lines. So for those of you who believe in clutch players, apparently the Rangers have them. What surprises me is the massive amount of penalty minutes the second line accrued so far this season. But then I remembered it was the Rangers' lines.
Next up, the Flyers:
Scott Hartnell - Claude Giroux - Jaromir Jagr
Maxime Talbot - Danny Briere - Jakub Voracek
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Line # |
AVG Corsi |
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1 |
113 |
48 |
68 |
116 |
11.67 |
95 |
9 |
293 |
16.23 |
5.23 |
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2 |
120 |
29 |
44 |
73 |
4.67 |
87 |
5 |
259 |
11.7 |
-0.13 |
First thing I took notice to, again a more penalized top two lines than the Devils. Then I realized this shouldn't surprise me, The Devils have always been a more disciplined team, and it's nice to see DeBoer keeping that trend. The Flyers have less balanced lines than both the Rangers and the Devils. That has a lot to do with Giroux, who has 48 points in 37 games. As much as I strongly dislike the Flyers, Giroux is darn good. The Flyers' second line is not too good at puck possession, at -0.13 which means that their second line is much weaker than it appears if you just look at points and plus minus.
The three teams mentioned above are all in playoff spots at the moment, and we see that the Rangers have the most balanced scoring, with the Devils slightly biased towards the first line, and Philly relying heavily on their first line. The most surprising thing with these three teams, the Devils actually have the highest scoring top two lines with 194 points. A happy thought! But then if we look at the average scoring for each team's top two lines we see a different story. The Flyers top two lines average .81 points per game, the Devils are second with .78 PPG, and the Rangers average .69 PPG.
Next, I'll list the Penguins top two lines followed by the Islanders:
Penguins:
Chris Kunitz - Evgeni Malkin - James Neal
Matt Cooke - Pascal Dupuis - Tyler Kennedy
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Line # |
AVG Corsi |
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1 |
119 |
51 |
57 |
108 |
-1.00 |
90 |
9 |
458 |
11.06 |
13.86 |
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2 |
115 |
23 |
34 |
57 |
1.00 |
56 |
5 |
290 |
8.06 |
-0.16 |
Islanders:
Matt Moulson - John Tavares - Kyle Okposo
Brian Rolston (LOL) - Frans Nielsen - PA Parenteau
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Line # |
AVG Corsi |
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1 |
117 |
43 |
51 |
94 |
-5.00 |
30 |
7 |
327 |
13.36 |
3.83 |
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2 |
113 |
18 |
44 |
62 |
-7.33 |
41 |
3 |
229 |
7.96 |
8.16 |
The Penguins have the most unbalanced top two lines, but they score about .71 PPG, higher than the Rangers. This gives you sort of a warm feeling knowing that the Rangers top two lines are not all they are hyped up to be; Then again... we all knew that deep down.
And finally... the Islanders, well, they're top two lines are scoring at .67 ppg. Not as bad as I'd thought, but then again, not that great. For those of you who miss Brian Rolston, he has 4 goals and 4 assists in 33 games, I surely don't miss him.
Hope you found this interesting. I'm not saying that the top two lines make up an entire team, but they do account for most of the scoring. I thought it was worthwhile to note that the Devils have two balanced lines who can score, just in case one line cools off or isn't quite ready to show up one night. What do you guys think of the Devils top two lines? Do you think the Devils top line should be in the talk of best line in the NHL? Thanks for reading and let me know your thoughts below!
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This data is pretty shocking. I would think that for all the publicity the Ranger’s forwards get, they would be putting up more points. And what is with their second line and the penalties?
by NickRogers on Jan 12, 2012 4:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Richards has only 12 PIMs, but Dubinsky and Callahan each have 17 minors. Dubinsky has two majors and two misconducts as well, and Callahan has one and one, respectively.
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by red army line on Jan 12, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
As much as this looks good for the Devils, there are huge differences in depth between the Devils and the Flyers (I didn’t look at the rest). Breaking it down differently, NJ has 7 double digit scorers and the next highest is at 4. Phily has 8 double digit scorers, one skater at 7, and two more at 6. In terms of points, NJ has 8 players with double digit points while Phily has 15. Of course Phily is 2nd in the league in Goals/game at 3.39, while NJ is 18th at 2.77 (not sure why nhl.com has it as 2.58, 119/43 is a simple calculation).
Hopefully Travis and Josefson provide some more production as they get healthy and back in shape.
The Flyers are a 3-line team. You could argue that JvR – Couturier – Simmonds is equal to the Talbot – Briere – Voracek line. You can’t compare the forward corps of the Devils’ to that of the Flyers without including the third lines, because that shifts the equation in a big way.
The Devils are a 2-line team. So are the Rangers. That’s a fair comparison. The Devils may be the better offensive team, and even superior in terms of Corsi. But the Rangers are blocking a ton of shots, giving up very few on goal, and Lunqvist is stopping 3-5% more of the shots he’s facing than the Devils’ goalies are. Hence, the difference in the standings.
The Pens and Isles are essentially both 1-line teams with the injuries to Crosby and Staal. The difference in the standings between those two teams is that the Pens play far better defense, but it’s not really fair to the Pens to compare their 2nd line to the Devils’ 2nd line.
Brian Rolston (LOL) – Frans Nielsen – PA Parenteau
(LOL-LOL)
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 12, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions
/slow clap.
Well played Matt
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 12, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
We may be on par with the Rags and Flyers in terms of top-six forwards, but when it comes to point production from the blue line we don’t even come close. Kimo Timmonen, Matt Carle and Michael Del Zotto are all putting up big points so far.
Also, the reason the Rags are in first is simple. Henrik Lundqvist.
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yep, the blue line
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 12, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Devils 2.58 GF/G (Reason)
We’re at 2.58 GF/G because they don’t count shootout wins which are apparently equal to one goal. So, 1 shootout win = 1 GF and 1 shootout loss = 1 GA.
Therefore, we’re actually at 111/43 = 2.58 GF/G. Just thought I’d share this for those who didn’t know. I sure didn’t.
by AznDevilsFan on Jan 12, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oooh… This wasn’t meant to reply to this post. My bad.
by AznDevilsFan on Jan 12, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks Azn
I looked for the goal total based on the individual players total, but nhl.com didn’t automatically do it and I didn’t feel like manually counting.
For individuals, a shootout goal doesn’t count for their season total, correct?
We’ve got 2 solid first lines, I still don’t like the lack of possession from the Henrique line though, that was already visible if you know what I mean.
The main problem for the Devils remain the 4th line. It’s a total liabily that can’t be trusted more than 5 minutes per game. Moreover they’ve brought absolutely nothing, nada, niet, peanuts, que dalle to the scoreboards in 40 games.
The 3rd line is average with Clarkson’s production I guess but it will make a real improvement when Zajac and Josefson in a few weeks.
Though I’m not convinced that will change anything about the 4th line. Does Pete Deboer really want 4 playing lines ? I mean It’s already stunning to see some decent 4th liners buried in the AHL under Janssen and Boulton (yeah, that guy who missed the whole net last night god dammit ).
The Gaborik line is a good sample of the Rangers team, a good line, a clutch line, but clearly overachieving.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 12, 2012 6:00 PM EST reply actions
I still don’t like the lack of possession from the Henrique line
There’s always room for improvement, but that line is getting a TON of shots on goal – probably #2 in the entire league behind the Malkin line given both Kovalchuk and Parise are in the top 10. Their Corsi doesn’t match the Elias line’s but the top line gets fewer shots blocked and does more with the possession time they do have. That line also eats up a ton of ice time while staying positive for Corsi, so they contribute positively to the team’s Corsi overall.
The main problem for the Devils remain the 4th line
Yes, the 4th line is terrible and even matches up poorly against most of the 4th lines around the league. But improving the 3rd line and getting more consistent 3rd line scoring will be key for the Devils in the second half. The 3rd line gets nearly three times as much ice time as the 4th. Improve the 3rd line, shift guys like Carter and Tedenby down to the 4th line, and voila you’ll have a far-improved bottom six.
Those Pittsburgh numbers astound me, especially when I think of the guys not included in their Top 6 forwards based on the selection criteria. Jordan Staal is no slouch (although he only has 21 points in 34 games this year), and Sidney Crosby was an absolute beast (12 points in 8 games) when he was healthy enough to play.
Well done.
If I were a Rangers fan, my biggest concern right now would be how top-heavy their scoring is and what that means long term.
The Rangers have: Gaborik (23), Richards (15), Callahan (14), Stepan (9), Anisimov (7), Hagelin (7 in only 23 games), Fedotenko (6), Dubinksy (5), Del Zotto (5), McDonagh (4).
If you add up the top 10 players on the Rangers, they have 95 goals.
By contrast the Devils have: Kovy (17), Patty (15), Zach(y) (15), Clarky (15), Hen-rique (13), Zuby (12), Sykor-y (10), Palmiery (4), Fayney (3), and Larsson-y (2). From those top 10, you have 106 goals.
For one the Devils have a higher average amount of goals among their top 10 scorers, but more importantly the distribution is not so top-heavy that losing a single player to injury or a slump will freeze their offensive momentum.
For instance, if the Rangers were to lose Gaborik to injury, that would seriously hamper their goal-scoring ability because he alone has 25% of the goals scored among their top 10 scorers and nearly 33% of the scoring of their top two lines. That’s too much power for one man!
In the absence of an injury, imagine a 5-7 game playoff series. Across the entire series (and after a season’s worth of tape) on the Rangers, eventually a team will learn how to neutralize Marian Gaborik’s offensive prowess. Anisimov and Stepan are not the major threats on that line, so neutralizing them could neutralize Gaborik. A good match-up or a neutral-zone trap might undo his scoring.
By contrast, the Devils have an ensemble cast of goal-scorers and no single goal-scoring is carrying such a large percentage of the load alone. They’re not interchangeable parts, but I hope that if one or another gets injured that the goal production on each line would continue.
Larssony
How many take-aways does he have? I’m thinking that could be a good nickname (larceny – larssony)
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 13, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
They do have more game winning goals from their top lines. So for those of you who believe in clutch players, apparently the Rangers have them.
That’s a simple explanation. They’ve just won more games than anyone else, and they can thank Henrik Lundqvist for that. Most game-winning goals aren’t clutch at all.

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