What Would An Acceptable Return For Zach Parise Be?
by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 17, 2012 1:29 PM EST
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PrintThere is a bit of uncertainty involving Zach Parise's future. There's been very little talk about both sides negotiating a new contract. There's also the fact that the team is in financial doo-doo as well, which doesn't exactly mean that the Devils could afford to sink at least over $40 million into another long term investment. Of course, those signs don't exactly indicate that Parise won't re-sign with the Devils, seeing as he is interested in staying with the team and in New Jersey for a long time.The Devils also have tons of cap space with several big contracts expiring this season, so they have the power to sign Parise to a long term deal.
Of course, the Devils do have the option of trading Parise at the trade deadline to get a good return. Considering that a lot of teams would pay a pretty penny for a superstar winger, the Devils could benefit from moving him at the deadline (keyword: could, doesn't mean it's going to happen). The question is, what would the Devils want exactly?
Goaltending
The Devils do need to address their goaltending issues. Right now, Kinkaid is just a magic bean. He could be a solid goalie like Corey Crawford, a very good goalie like Jimmy Howard or he could flame out like Steve Mason. Which is exactly the problem with trading for goaltending- the market for goalies is too volatile. Ilya Bryzgalov and Tomas Vokoun were the two biggest goalies on the market in 2011. Yet they've been outperformed by Brian Elliot, who was easily the worst goalie in the league last year and is currently on a two-way deal. No one in the world predicted that, which is exactly why the Devils shouldn't consider acquiring a goalie as the centerpiece of the deal.
Here's a cautionary tale- a few years ago, Tampa Bay traded Brad Richards to the Stars in exchange for Jeff Halpern, Jussi Jokinen and Mike Smith. Smith was the key part of the trade, as he was a very good young goalie, and Tampa needed a goalie badly. Unfortunately, it didn't work out as Smith had injury problems and had to deal with Tampa's cardboard defense (reminder: Matt Walker was a regular on their Defense back then). Trading for a goalie is a crapshoot- either the Devils get what they were paying for or they get a disappointment. If there's a goalie coming back, the Devils are likely going to get one with a significant amount of NHL experience rather than a goalie prospect.
Defense
The Devils defensive situation is quite interesting. In terms of defensemen at the NHL level, they have defensemen who are good enough, but they could also improve their D. In terms of defensive prospects, the Devils are very stacked. Jon Merrill, despite being suspended for half of the season is one of the top defensive prospects in the league. Adam Larsson, while he can't be considered a prospect anymore is still only 19 and has a lot more growing to do. They've also got several solid prospects in college (and in Reece Scarlett's case, Junior) and the AHL, so acquiring a defensive prospect might not be of immediate interest. Really, it's all up to the Devils whether or not they should trade for a D-man. They have several D-men under contract for the next few years, so it's up to Lou whether or not they should trade for one.
Forwards
While the Devils probably aren't going to get a forward as good as Parise coming back, they probably will be able to get a quality forward coming back the other way. Considering that the Devils have very few good forward prospects (most of the Devils forward prospects seem to be projected 3rd or 4th liners), acquiring a very good forward prospect or young forward would be great. I think that the Devils should look to try and acquire a forward in exchange for him. Simply put, the guy they aren't getting back won't be as good as Parise. He could be as good as him down the road, but at the moment he won't be.
As for a superstar for superstar swap (i.e. Parise for Ryan Getzlaf), it will be somewhat harder to do because of Parise's expiring contract.
Draft Picks
A 1st round pick is probably going to be part of any deal. However, keep in mind that 1) A 1st rounder might not always pan out (see: Corrente, Matt) and 2) if they trade with a team that's higher up in the standings like Boston or Detroit, teams that have the allure of "cup contender", that 1st rounder is going to be lower. On the other hand, if the Devils end up trading with a team like Buffalo or Montreal, they could land a top 10 pick, which would be huge because the Devils could land a talented forward like Zemgus Girgensons, Filip Forsberg or Brendan Gaunce (preferably Gaunce, he's the best of the three IMO). There's a big difference between drafting 10th overall and 25th overall, and that's the talent gap between someone like Girgensons or Gaunce and Thomas Wilson or Colton Sissons. It's obviously going to be harder, but it's also possible.
An Acceptable Return for Myself
For me, an acceptable return would have to include a 1st round pick, a top forward prospect and a young roster player. Where he plays isn't of much consequence- I'd like someone who can contribute going forward. The top forward prospect doesn't have to be the team's best forward prospect. If it happens to be their best forward prospect, then that's great. The 1st rounder has to be part of the deal, just because it will help compensate for the eventual forfeited 1st rounder (I have no idea if the Devils are allowed to forfeit any 1st round pick they own, or if it has to be their own pick originally). If it's a trade with a team that's lower in the standings, (e.g. Montreal or Buffalo), then maybe that young roster player/forward prospect won't have to be part of the deal because the draft pick is much higher- think of a deal similar to the Jeff Carter trade (young player+ top 10 pick) in that case.
Of course, who knows what happens. For all we know the Devils could announce that they've re-signed Parise a few minutes after this article was published. I'd like to see that happen, but I can't look into the future and see if he signs a new contract. The possibility of trading him has to at least be considered- if he's not re-signed the Devils might as well get something of value for him rather than lose him for nothing or very little (trading his rights for a draft pick or two).
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1. If the Devs haven’t signed him long term by the trade deadline, we might as well kiss him goodbye, be it to trade or FA. I’m sure Lou will make his best offer as the time gets closer, he’d be incompetant as a GM if he didn’t. If that’s not good enough for the Parise camp, then let him go.
2. In the event that he’s not going to sign in NJ, I would prefer to trade him at the deadline to shopping his pre-July 1st rights, and shopping his rights to just letting him field offers. It’s always better to get something in addition to the finger on his way out.
3. I’m not entirely sure what we can expect in a return. Teams will know he isn’t going to sign here, hence his availability, and the Devs are just trying to get what they can out of him before he’s gone. It’s not like teams are going to be tossing unicorns on a bed of rainbows for him. He’s a great player, but until he has a contract, he’s a rental with a bit of a possibility to sign after the lease is up.
4. I don’t think we’d be getting much more than a conditional pick (based on finish and/or re-signing) and a prospect. I’d prefer a prospect with 1-2 RW potential given what the Devs have in development already and my personal belief that Kinkaid will be ready in a year and Wedge in 2. If Lou can manage bonafide talent, then I’ll credit his negotiating skills, but I don’t think it will happen.
5. I don’t buy the financial reasoning for letting him go. If they don’t spend the money on him, it will go somewhere else unless the Devs are going to start spending significantly under the cap, and we’re all pretty aware of how well that usually works. Letting him walk because of financial issues is terribly short-sighted.
I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.
And on the first rounder…I think i recall it being their first round pick, not one obtained in a trade, but I’ll be damned if I can find the verbage anyplace.
I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.
Generally those things are your own picks (like with RFA compensation)
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by red army line on Jan 17, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
1. I will be shocked if Zach is signed by the trade deadline. As we know, Brodeur is the only player that ever got a mid-season contract negotiation from Lou and Zach doesn’t seem to pressed to try for the same. Also, Zach wants to play for a cup contender. We really won’t know if this team is a cup contender until April.
2. I doubt that the Devils will be sellers at the trade deadline. Assuming we’re still in 6th place at the end of February, trading away Zach would be the equivalent of Lou giving up on the season. This team will not win the Stanley Cup this season if we trade away Parise for anything less than an equivalent forward with considerable talent.
3. You will be able to get a lot out of playoff bubble teams that need to make a final push in March to lock up a playoff spot. If Pittsburgh is still on the outside looking in, they would be a team that would be willing to move quite a bit. Remember, a lot of GMs are under pressure from their owners to win now, not win later (exceptions exist).
4. Look at the Kovalchuk trade as an example. Atlanta got a first round pick, a second round pick, an average blue-liner and a prospect. In return we got a superstar who’s contract was expiring and everyone already knew wasn’t going to resign in Atlanta. I’m not sure why you think Lou would, at best, get a pick and a prospect for Zach Parise.
5. The financial issues will not be the reason Zach leaves. The Devils will be able to pay him a fair amount. This is about Zach wanting to play in New Jersey or not.
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Good points. I don’t think they’ll sell him at the deadline as long as the playoff picture is still favorable. A good run in the playoffs may do the heavy lifting for Lou to make a final case to stay. Hell, there’s a little cap space at the moment and a lot of prospect showcasing (or attempts at doing so), maybe Lou will be looking to do his own renting.
I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.
I keep reading that ‘financial issues will not be the reason Zach leaves’. You do understand that other teams will be willing to offer Parise a 10+ year deal in which he gets a maximum salary, most of it in bonus form, in year 1, right? So let’s say Chicago offers Zach 10 years, 68 million dollars, where year 1 he’s making $13M, $11M which gets paid out the moment he signs the contract, which is enormous because the NHL is likely to have a lockout of some length. The Devils in their current financial state are unlikely to be able to match that sort of thing.
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Everything I’ve heard out of Zach up until now has implied that while money is in fact a concern, his primary goal is to win the Stanley Cup, and earn a fair salary. Besides, very few teams can spit out that kind of money. So unless Zach is going to Buffalo or the Rangers…
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Since the lockout, the Devils have signed these unrestricted free agents from their own team either the week before they reached free agency, or after they hit the market: Patrik Elias, Jamie Langenbrunner, Bryce Salvador, Jay Pandolfo, Ilya Kovalchuk, Andy Greene, Johan Hedberg.
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So, since 2005, Lou has only resigned eight players who were about to become UFA? (adding Brodeur to your list)
What about David Clarkson?
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Only? First, I forgot Johnny Oduya. Second, Clarkson was an RFA. Third, that’s a LOT of players. Murdoc is writing that Parise is ‘gone’ if he reaches UFA, but the fact is that that’s just not true – plenty of players have been either very close to reaching UFA, or have actually reached it, and have returned to New Jersey.
If you need a list of notables who left, fine – Brian Rafalski, Scott Gomez, Paul Martin, John Madden, Brian Gionta, Scott Clemmensen is an adequate list, but as you can see, there’s pretty much an equal number of players on either side.
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Sorry Triumph, I think I misunderstood your post and then didn’t express what I was asking. I thought you were saying, “look at this short list of people Lou has resigned” as if it was a relatively low number. I was surprised because I thought, as you just pointed out that Lou does in fact sign plenty of our UFA’s.
People are panicking and think that Zach has his bags packed and a ticket booked for July 1st to somewhere over the rainbow. It’s like they magically forgot the way Lou operates. No distractions during the season. Even if Zach says it wouldn’t be a distraction Lou sees it differently. It could upset team chemistry or create a perception he doesn’t want other GMs to have.
I have faith Lou will work out a long term deal with Zach.
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While I am still not thrilled with the idea of Parise ever playing for another NHL team, and I still highly doubt he’ll be traded, if there is an overwhelming offer on the table, Lou would have to take it.
First of all, while I like Jon Merrill and some of the D-men coming up, they’re still a long way from being the players they have the potential to be at the NHL level. I think if the Devils were to trade Parise, they should demand a young, #1 defenseman in return. Just to name a name, if Nashville wanted to send the Devils Shea Weber or Ryan Suter as part of a deal, the Devils would have to listen. If the Kings were willing to part ways with Jack Johnson, that would be another possibility.
I think goaltending is too risky to make a big deal for. Jonathan Bernier, Cory Schneider, Tuukka Rask, Josh Harding, Anders Lindback, etc. are all quality goaltenders, but like you said, Kevin, goaltending should not be the primary source of a potential trade. The Devils can only trade Parise once, and if they do, they need the closest to a sure thing of a return. I’m personally fine with the Devils signing a veteran D-man this summer to replace Brodeur/Hedberg until Scott Wedgewood is ready. I think Wedgewood is the real deal.
As for forwards, I think the Devils have a decent group of forwards. Kovalchuk obviously isn’t going anywhere for a while, Henrique’s ELC is up next summer, so they’ll need to re-sign him, Josefson is a quality center and will be a top-6 forward eventually, Zajac is a quality 2-way center, Elias still has a few good years left in him and I still believe that Tedenby can be a top-6 forward in the NHL some day. I suppose if they do trade or let Parise go, they’ll need another winger. Maybe that’s Reid Boucher someday…
Finally, we all know that the Devils will forfeit a 1st round pick eventually via the Kovalchuk contract penalty. The Devils should also demand a 1st round pick in return.
When I look back at the Kovalchuk trade, the Thrashers gave up the face of their franchise for a young, unproven winger, a decent NHL defenseman, a troubled prospect and a 1st round draft pick. That’s not a lot of certainty for a player that was the Atlanta Thrashers since 2001. If the Devils get that kind of package back for Parise, it would be a momumental loss for the Devils franchise. If they’re going to trade him, they need to get player[s] back who can make an impact right away, because after all, this Devils team is a good one and if they get hot at the right time, they could win a round or two in the playoffs once their top 3 centers are all healthy.
- The only way Parise doesn’t re-sign in NJ is if ownership can’t fund a new contract. If they can find a way to do so, Parise will stay.
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The only way Parise doesn’t re-sign in NJ is if ownership can’t fund a new contract. If they can find a way to do so, Parise will stay.
And I think that’s where it ends. If they don’t pay Parise, they will pay someone else, or a collection of someone elses to fill the roster. I can’t fathom a world where the Devils will be so far from the spend cap. Well, I can, I have many Islander-fan friends, and they are a very unhappy bunch. I don’t want to be that unhappy for 9 months a year.
I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.
If the team ends up being sold, any new owner will be able to pay Parise’s contract. I strongly doubt that JVB’s financial issues are a concern.
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(I have no idea if the Devils are allowed to forfeit any 1st round pick they own, or if it has to be their own pick originally
It has to be their own.
As far as a return, I know people tend to place a lot of value on their own players over others. The fact is Parise is an UFA this summer, and his return will be less. The Jeff Carter trade isn’t a comparable as he has a long term contract; the Jackets were guaranteed a player for years to come.
The only recent comparable trade is the Kovy one. At the time (not looking at the current value of the players involved), the trade was;
A top 5 sniper in the NHL
An early 2nd Rounder
3rd Pairing/AHLer D-man
for
Top 4 D-man
Potential top 6 winger
Potential bottom 6 center
Mid to Late 1st Rounder
Mid to Late 2nd Rounder
Considering Zach is a top 5 two-way winger in the game, we can assume his value would be something around that.
Personally, I would do a trade for Suter and Ellis, maybe with the Devils throwing in a 2nd.
I am going to simply spurn all of the Chicken Littles and hang by my belief that Zach re-signs with NJ between the end of our season and June 30.
Short of a Godfather offer (or the team losing all 18 games between now and the deadline), I don’t see any possible way the Devils trade Parise during the season.
If the financial situation is as bad as some would like us to believe, that actually becomes a reason to keep Parise this season. Not only would the Devils be able to “walk away” at the end of the year, but you won’t be taking on anyone else’s contracts in response (e.g. Johnny Oduya at three years and $10.5 million). Also, as it would be virtually impossible for the Devils to swing a deal where they trade Parise and improve for the current season, such a trade risks negative ramifications for the playoffs…. and since the playoffs are where many teams make substantial money, you’d want a stronger team as to maximize the number of (potential) home playoff games.
Sign him, we'll never get equal value
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by Real Big Devils Fan on Jan 17, 2012 4:34 PM EST reply actions
Curious to see what you guys think.
I don’t really think Fletcher is going to try trade for Parise, because he is going to thy throw the World at him in the offseason if he makes it to UFA. But hypothetically.
Wild Get:
Parise
Devils get:
Harding
Wellman/Zucker(Wellman is closer to NHL, Zucker Higher Upside)
Justin Falk
2012 1st or 2012 2nd(conditional on him resigning)
I’d prefer 2012 1st, Zack Phillips and Harding or Scandella
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 17, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
There is going to be a players strike that goes until about November. Once it is settled, the will be an abbreviated UFA signing period and new UFA rules and in the confusion LL will get Parise to sign a favorable deal.
But I could be wrong.
An Acceptable Return for Myself
We could never get equal value for Sellathamby.
I dunno, I could be persuaded to take two Stivali’s for a Sellathamby…
=P
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The CBA doesn’t expire until September 15th. Free agency starts July 1st. There will be ample time for teams to spend like they’re Glen Sather or Mike Milbury before the rules change.
or Mike Milbury
You mean trade away all of your talent for a bunch of worthless players?
by Marty 4 Prez on Jan 17, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I love Parise
He’s my favorite non-Av. And while I desperately want him on my team, so does every other NHL fan. I think he’ll stay in NJ though. If I had to guess, I’d say that Lou will probably salary dump with other players instead of Parise. Sure, Zach would bring back the biggest return, but he’s not the only option. If you’re looking at clearing up $6-7 mil long term, that just means getting rid of 2-3 veteran players and using some EL players instead. Your team might struggle for a while, but the same is true if you get rid of Parise. We all saw what happened when he was out last year. It might be better to get robbed talent-wise for other players with big cap hits (like Zubrus) than to go forward without your Captain.
Either way, I think the Avs and Devils would probably be good trading partners. You need to salary dump, we have buckets of Cap Space and tons of flexibility (65% of our organization is in their contract year). You have Top 6 scoring wingers, we have craploads of really good, young, and cheap defensemen and goalie prospects. You play in the East, we play in the West and wouldn’t be hurt as badly by the Curse of the Ex-Avs. It could be a good win/win situation. Just please don’t try to give us any blueliners (besides Larsson of course. We’d take him ;) ).
If a trade of any sort was to go down between the clubs, here are some of the pieces the Avs may consider moving:
-RW David Jones
-3rd line C / PKer Jay McClement
- Depth forwards RW Daniel Winnik, RW David van der Gulik, RW Chuck Kobasew, RW Brandon Yip, RW/LW/C Kevin Porter
-Top 4 D Ryan Wilson (2-way), Kyle Quincey (2-way), and Shane O’Brien (shutdown with some offense and lots of grit & leadership)
-Depth D Matt Hunwick (puck-moving) and Ryan O’Byrne (shutdown)
-NHL-ready prospects Stefan Elliott (puck-moving), Tyson Barrie (puck-moving), and Cameron Gaunce (shutdown)
-Goalie prospect Kieran Millan, Kent Patterson, Sami Attiokallio, Calvin Pickard, Cedrick Desjardins, or Trevor Cann (you may not really need them, but we have too flippin’ many and will have to trade at least 1-2 before the summer ends). Desjardins is probably NHL ready.
I covet Parise like no other, but I’m afraid we’d have to sell the farm to get him. Still, I’m pretty sure Greg Sherman has probably given Lou a call at least testing the waters. We’ll see what happens.
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-RW David Jones
-3rd line C / PKer Jay McClement
- Depth forwards RW Daniel Winnik, RW David van der Gulik, RW Chuck Kobasew, RW Brandon Yip, RW/LW/C Kevin Porter
-Top 4 D Ryan Wilson (2-way), Kyle Quincey (2-way), and Shane O’Brien (shutdown with some offense and lots of grit & leadership)
-Depth D Matt Hunwick (puck-moving) and Ryan O’Byrne (shutdown)
-NHL-ready prospects Stefan Elliott (puck-moving), Tyson Barrie (puck-moving), and Cameron Gaunce (shutdown)
-Goalie prospect Kieran Millan, Kent Patterson, Sami Attiokallio, Calvin Pickard, Cedrick Desjardins, or Trevor Cann (you may not really need them, but we have too flippin’ many and will have to trade at least 1-2 before the summer ends). Desjardins is probably NHL ready.
All of the above for Parise and… um… Andy Brad Mills. But I still think we’re losing out on the deal… =P
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How ‘bout Parise for Tebow? I’m pretty sure we could kidnap persuade Tebow to move to New Jersey for ya! That would be fair trade value, right? We’d even throw in Hunwick for free!
But honestly, I think any Avs deal for Parise would probably be along the lines of Jones + Quincey or Wilson + Barrie + goalie prospect + possible pick, probably a 2nd. It’s a pretty rich pot, but I’m just not sure we’re willing to give up what it would take to get Parise, especially because we can’t use Stastny because of his cap hit.
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To Denver: Zach Parise, Mark Sanchez, Jets 2nd Round Pick
To New Jersey: David Jones, Tim Tebow, Willis McGehee, Avalanche 1st Round Pick
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It would have to be a 2013 first rounder. Our 2012 is going to Washington.
And I have absolutely no idea who Mark Sanchez is. Heck, I barely know who McGehee is. I don’t follow much football since it coincides too much with hockey season. But I have a feeling that the Broncos wouldn’t be too happy with that.
Avs fans on the other hand would probably go “OMG PARISE!” and be just fine.
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And I have absolutely no idea who Mark Sanchez is.
For all intents and purposes, let’s just imagine he has no value. Oh wait…
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by LaserVortex888 on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
No offense...
…But that is what is typically called a magical bag of beans.
I know that your in love with Zach (who isn’t?), but I don’t think the Av’s are a good match. We would be looking for immediate impact players. Plus we don’t have to dump salary. As it is for this coming offseason, we have 25 million dollars in cap space open, so we don’t have to dump any contracts to make room for Zach’s new contract.
Landeskog has to be part of any discussions. /Kevin Thompson voice Saawwwwwyyyyyy
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 17, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
DONT LOSE PARISE
As a fan of the new jersey devils ever since i was a little kid, there is no way we can trade, or lose him. He is the heart of our team and our fans love him. Furthermore, his work ethic day in and day out is OUTSTANDING. I truly want him to stay and i have hope that he will
by Devilsfan4life! on Jan 17, 2012 5:00 PM EST reply actions
Yes, agreed
Watch him tonight and you’ll see his 110% work ethic.
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by Real Big Devils Fan on Jan 17, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
agree 100%
Parise is the heart of this team and he cannot be let go anywhere!
by josephdaly111 on Jan 17, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
The Devils will keep Parise through this year. Bank on that. Hold me to that statement too. Then, they may trade away negotiating rights.
Of course this is if the Devils are still competitive in a month and in a playoff spot. This week will tell us.
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I don’t see Zach re-signed until the end of the season, he will probably want to test the market too. That doesn’t mean Parise is already gone though… We gonna either sign or lose that guy for nothing in my opinion.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 17, 2012 5:27 PM EST reply actions
Parise for Malkin
straight up. They need a center. Besides isn’t Malkin a UFA soon?
Parise ≠ Malkin
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 17, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Malkin is under contract for two more years after this one (cap hit $8.7 million).
Also, there’s no possibility Pittsburgh makes that trade, even if you remove all the contract considerations. Malkin is carrying that team and will garner significant MVP consideration at the end of the season. We love Parise to death, but he isn’t nearly as good right now.
Besides which, we’ve done this idea to death. Go through FanPosts for the last year or two — there have been several done around “trade Parise” threads, and a handful of those have revolved around a “Parise for Malkin” swap.
When the Devils signed Andy Greene to a 4 year deal, I felt they should have used most of that money to sign Zach to maybe a 2/3 year deal and then re-address it as Patrik Marty leave.
I felt the organization had up and coming guys on Defense to replace Greene – Like Urbom Merrill and Eric Gelinas — PLUS guys like Taormina could be a replacement (slight downgrade)
If they move him, Have to get back Top Line Forward - A Prospect — plus 1st Rounder at the least
by Team First Devils on Jan 17, 2012 7:03 PM EST reply actions
I think another possible comparison is the Marian Hossa deal. Hossa was similar in age to Parise at the time, with stats that compare favorably. That trade turned out this way:
Hossa
3rd liner (Pascal Dupuis)
for
Gritty 3rd liner (Colby Armstrong)
Potential top six forward (Erik Christensen)
Top offensive prospect (Angel Esposito)
1st round pick
With that in mind, I can see a trade with the Kings going something like:
Brad Richardson (Gritty 3rd liner with some upside)
Jack Johnson (Potential top pairing defenseman)
Martin Jones (Top goaltending prospect)
1st round pick
KEEP ZACH!
I would be devastated if he left! He’s not only my favorite, Devil, or favorite hockey player, he’s my favorite freaking athlete of all time! Don’t lose him!
Trade his rights after we win the Cup
then sign him anyway after July 1 and get a draft pick and/or prospect in the bargain.
Go Devils
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by FrankG929 on Jan 17, 2012 9:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Weber for Parise.
This game against the Rangers has just proved to me who’s more valuable to the Preds.
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Done deal.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 18, 2012 7:07 AM EST up reply actions
Zach Ain't Goin' Nowhere!!!
(First I’d like to say that I’m probably not going to gve any miraculaous nuggets of info that you all haven’t either read already, heard before, or thought of yourselves. I just want to chime in with my own opinion, like everybody else. Okay… here it goes.)
1) Most non-casual Devils fans understand how Big Lou works. In general, he does not
like to talk contracts during the regular season as he feels they are a distraction to
players and the team (Not that it hasn’t happened before).
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2) If, and that is a big IF, we trade Zach before or at the Trade Deadline, there is no way
NJ gets equal trade value b/c of his contract expiring. The Devs would get similar to
the Kovy Trade or less as has been said before.
3) I still have faith in people. Despite the buzz about NJ’s financial woes, the fact that
both Big Lou and Zach Parise have both stated that they want to work out a deal and
that Zach says he wants to stay in NJ gives me faith that they will work something out
sometime before the 1st day of Free Agency. The Devils are still a Stanley Cup
Contender, and that is what Zach really wants. Although important, money is
secondary.
4) Come the Trade Deadline, if the New Jersey Devils are still in decent playoff
contention and not on the bubble or worse, Zach Parise WILL stay in NJ, mark my
words. No team, I do not care what the reasoning… will trade their Captain away when
they have a good chance to make the playoffs. It is Playoff Contention Suicide! A team
that loses its Captain at the trade Deadline that is still in the playoffs would lose faith
quicker than those on the Titanic! Every player on the team would not feel safe (The
exceptions being those with NTC & NMC in their contracts of course). And if the
Captain was worth thr stitching on his jersey, the team would most likely feel lost
without its leader… period!
Zach Parise will stay a NJ Devil. If not, I’ll eat my hat and become a Canucks fan.
by EliasStillRocks on Jan 18, 2012 8:47 AM EST reply actions
There are some folks around here that will hold you to the hat eating part should the zackpocalypse actually happen. They’ll offer ketchup and a knife, but no mercy.
I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.
On your point number 3
Every big time player in the History of playerdom has said he wanted to stay where he was and they hoped they could work something out, knowing full well they would test Free Agency.
Likewise, every GM in the history of GMdom has said they hope they can get a deal done.
It means squat, its posturing that allows both sides at the end to say I tried.
Bye Bye ZP
I Have a gut feeling he’s gone. The kid is like yelling out " Hey I like ya guys buuuut…" in the Star Ledger article a few days ago. How hes gone this long with out a deal blows my mind. I’m convinced He’s gone. Sucks too got a 06 ZP CCM this year
How hes gone this long with out a deal blows my mind
It’s only been 18 days since he was actually able to sign one, not even 3 weeks. There is a 6 game homestand and the All-Star break coming up to deal with a contract, not to mention the entire 6 months till July 1st.
He could have been signed in the offseason. Or Jan 1st. Idk. I don’t see anything positive about the situation
by Devilman3030 on Jan 18, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
He could be signed just before July 1 of this year. I’m baffled as to why this fact eludes a lot of fans.
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by John Fischer on Jan 18, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Don’t get me wrong I understand that. I Just get a really really bad vibe from the situation. I think the only player I can remember grabbing before july 1 and keeping a Devil was Scotty Gomez(Before the Rags got there teeth in him). I do like the fact he announces his loyalty to the Organization a lot. However, JP does make me think he feels his son is wasting his time.
by Devilman3030 on Jan 18, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I love this kind of speculation, and will miss it come July 1st.
If the money we are to offer Zach is spent somewhere else, I can live with him leaving. If Zach leaves, as much as I love to watch him play, Kovy takes over as Captain. And considering we have him locked up for such a long time, I don’t think thats such a bad thing.
Personally, Gionta is my favorite hockey player of all time. Seeing him leave sucked, but once the Red and Black take the ice for that first preseason game, we move on.
That said, its not a done deal that he leaves. Let’s get hime some real playoff success this year!
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by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 18, 2012 9:54 PM EST reply actions
Something involving David Rundbl….oh wait…
by Dr. Witticism on Jan 19, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Dang!
Do either of Brian Lee and Patrick Wiercioch sound good in his place?
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by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 19, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know about anyone else, but if I’m going to trade Zach Parise to a team that is directly competing with mine for playoff positioning (and could be our opponent in Round One), and do it in-season, I’m asking for a heck of a lot.
I assume Eric Karlsson would be the proverbial “unicorn trade”, but he’s the guy I’d ask for first just in case the Ottawa GM channels his inner Glen Sather / Mike Milbury. Assuming that’s a no-go, I’d want a package highlighted by either Eric Condra or Stephane Da Costa. Add another reasonable prospect and a pick (preferably a 1st) and you might be on to something.
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