New Jersey Devils Suffered on Special Teams, Lose to Philadelphia Flyers 4-1
The New Jersey Devils lost to the rival Philadelphia Flyers 4-1. The main culprit were the two special teams. By no means was this a pretty game. There were lots of sloppiness on both sides. Offenses struggled to get sustained attacks in each others' end of the rink. Passes bounced off blades of sticks or missed their mark. Board play was particularly gritty with both teams just going at each other physically first and playing for the puck second. Loads of penalties were called and the referees still let a lot go for both teams. The only aspect of this game that wasn't ugly were special teams play. Unfortunately, that was one-sided in today's affair at the Rock. The visitors just dominated on special teams.
The Flyers power play was absolutely on point today. They've received five opportunities and those lasted four minutes mostly due to two power play goals scored. Ten seconds into Adam Larsson's interference penalty, Scott Hartnell tipped Kimmo Timonen's shot from the center point past Wayne Simmonds and Martin Brodeur. That goal made it 2-0 in the second period. While the Devils responded with a goal of their own later, that power play tally would hold up as the game winning goal. Later in the third period, Hartnell made the Devils pay for another penalty: a (stupid) delay of game call on Ilya Kovalchuk for clearing a puck over the glass. The Flyers held possession around the perimeter until Hartnell skated in between Bryce Salvador and Dainius Zubrus into the right circle. He's open, Claude Giroux sets him up, and Hartnell slams a one-timer to the top left corner. The Flyers power play only had four minutes of a man advantage, but with two goals on five shots, that's all they needed. The Devils' PK units weren't amazing for once and it cost them dearly.
As usual, the Devils power play was the opposite of amazing. Yet, in my opinion, today's game was the final straw. The Flyers were reckless all game long and they handed the Devils power play after power play. Philly took a lot of dumb calls and so the Devils had six power play opportunities lasting 9:17. The end result of all of them were a mere eight shots on net. I'm surprised they even got eight, since some of these opportunities yielded no shots on net at all. Down a goal, the Devils had two power plays in the third period and got only one on net. They had two power plays in the first period and not only got two shots on net, but allowed a three-on-one shorthanded rush that Martin Brodeur had to bail them out on. It's one thing not to score, but it's another to waste opportunities and settle for outside shots with no support. On the Flyers' power plays, there were screens, there were crisp passes, and players moving around. On the Devils', there was little movement beyond the pointmen, there wasn't any variety, and the passing wasn't on point. I really do not know how Adam Oates still has a job running power plays. Maybe I'm wrong and he really doesn't. Whoever it is needs to quit and have someone else in charge because it's getting ridiculous.
The annoying thing about all of this is that I feared this would happen. In my preview for this game, I said the Devils would be wise to keep this game at 5-on-5. As it turned out, the Devils were the better team at 5-on-5. They out-shot the Flyers in each period at even strength, 22-14. They out-did them in Corsi at +11. They even tied them in 5-on-5 goals at 1-1. The Devils' own attack suffered from a lack of presence in the slot, not able to get to rebounds or pick up loose pucks in front. Yet, they were at least getting into the Flyers' end and getting space to get shots off. The Devils were better than the Flyers in 5-on-5 play today. Yet, they got stupid with their own discipline, they remained stupid on the power play, and now Devils fans feel angry and stupid a game like this ended up at 4-1 because of special teams.
After the game, in this post-game post by Tom Gulitti, Peter DeBoer regretted not sending a message to the top teams in the league about the Devils' quality. Well, it's going to repeat if the special teams (today) and third period issues (Boston) aren't addressed. That's on the coach and the players, of course.
I have a links to stats and a highlight video of today's game after the jump. Please visit Broad Street Hockey if you want to know what the Flyers faithful think for some reason.
The Stats: The NHL.com Game Summary | The NHL.com Event Summary | The NHL.com Play by Play Log | The NHL.com Shot Summary | The Time on Ice Shift Charts | The Time on Ice Head to Head Ice Time Charts | The Time on Ice Corsi Charts
The Highlight Video: Here's a video of today's game from NHL.com:
The Debut of a New #12: Alexei Ponikarovsky did make it to Newark for today's game and had a nice debut. He's now wearing #12 and was slotted at left wing alongside Jacob Josefson and David Clarkson as expected. He threw some good hits; he went into the boards well; and he even scored a goal. The goal itself was fortunate, Ponikarovsky re-directed Matt Taormina's shot with the heel of his stick and it just fooled Ilya Bryzgalov. It would turn out to be his only shot on net, and 1 shot on net really isn't much. Though, if that one shot is a goal, then great. In terms of possession, he was a +6 in Corsi after going against several Flyers units. That's quite good. Considering he played the night before and with two guys he wasn't at all familiar with as teammates, I'm pleased with his effort today. He already looks like a huge upgrade of Mattias Tedenby, Tim Sestito, Steve Zalewski, Ryan Carter, and whoever else was put at left wing on the third line this season.
The Illusions of Attempts: According to the event summary, your leaders in shooting attempts for New Jersey were Zach Parise, Ilya Kovalchuk, and Anton Volchenkov with five each. Volchenkov aside, it's usually a good thing to see Parise and Kovalchuk lead the way in this regard. Moreover, Parise put three on net and Kovalchuk had four shots on goal. However, Parise and Kovalchuk each only had one shot on net at even strength and they both came in the third period. Their other shots were on the power play and as evidenced from today's power play experience, they weren't all that great. Volchenkov managed to get more at evens with two shots on net. It belies that both Parise and Kovalchuk didn't really do all that much going forward.
Moreover, Adam Henrique was great at the dot (9-for-10) but he had all three of his shots this afternoon in the first period. Beyond that: nothing. While Kovalchuk's Corsi was quite good at +7, Henrique was a +5, and Parise was a +2; they didn't really generate much on net themselves. They did better than their opposition, but that's about it. So the Henrique line really didn't have a great game after not having a great game against Boston. Is it enough to split it up and try something else? I don't know. A few games ago, this wasn't happening; but then again a few games ago, Kovalchuk was hot and carried the unit. Let's see how it goes against Buffalo.
By the by, I didn't forget about the Elias line. They did, well, not as good as the Henrique line. They actually managed fewer shots on net at evens and in total than that line. They also weren't as positive in Corsi. While I know they saw a lot of Giroux and Hartnell, that they were more muted than the Henrique line on offense leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe the top six needs to be jumbled up a bit if this continues?
Let's Review a Quote: Speaking of Kovalchuk, he had this interesting point about the offense after the game. Per this post-game post by Tom Gulitti:
"All the shots were from the outside and no screen," Kovalchuk said. "I can play goal and save them. It’s not really tough for a goalie, especially a guy like (Ilya) Bryzgalov."
I will agree that Bryzgalov saw a lot of these shots cleanly. I will even say that Bryzgalov played a rather good game today. The Ponikarovsky goal was a re-direction in front, that can't really be his fault. I can't agree that the shots were all from the outside. Just look at the GameCast at ESPN, which charts out where shots were taken. Did the Devils take shots from the perimeter? Of course. That happens in almost every game by almost every team. By my count from the GameCast chart, the Devils had 13 shots up close and in the slot. That's not a team sitting in the perimeter all game long.
Those are areas where it's desirable to shoot and the Devils did get there. Would more screens would have helped? Definitely. The Devils forwards would have been smart to just drive to the net more often to at least be in the general area of a possible rebound. They could have been better. Yet, I can't agree that the Devils took 31 mostly weak shots that had no chance of getting in the net. Usually, the Devils don't even get to 31 shots period in regulation.
Even Strength Defense: Pretty much everyone not named Kurtis Foster looked good on defense at even strength. The Devils only allowed 13 shots in 5-on-5 play and the fourteenth one at evens was an empty net goal. That small amount speaks to how well the Flyers attacked at evens and how solid the defenders were. I'm not saying they made no mistakes, but one can't complain about holding a team playing sloppy hockey to very few chances on net.
The only one out there among the six that didn't look good today was Foster. He didn't always make the right decision with the puck; he wasn't good along the boards; he knocked a puck to Wayne Simmonds so he can ice the game with an empty-net goal (he should have gotten an assist for that); and he was horrid at the point on offense. The last point applies particularly to the Devils power play. Among his misplays of the puck; his one decision to pinch led to a 3-on-1 shorthanded rush where Brodeur bailed the team out. He wasn't completely nightmarish, his +5 Corsi value is evidence he didn't get torched repeatedly. Then again, he played quite a bit behind Kovalchuk and Henrique, who were notably positive possession players today. Still, he was limited to only 11:56 of ice time at even strength and that was the right call. Peter DeBoer must have realized from the Boston game and through today that Foster shouldn't be getting prime minutes.
Picture Time: Since I've added all of these detailed thoughts and observations about today's game later than usual, I've decided to do something special to make up for the difference. Let's look at three pertinent pictures from today's game. All of them were captured from the highlights of today's game at NHL.com.

This picture is just as Wayne Simmonds passes the puck to Matt Read, who scored one-timed it far post past Martin Brodeur. Anton Volchenkov lost the puck in the corner to Simmonds. Jacob Josefson went over to help there, instead of minding the slot; therefore, there are two Devils catching up. Foster must have assumed Simmonds would have went around the net if he won the puck, so he came around the net from the back end. He got frozen here because Simmonds stopped and looked to make a pass. Foster looks like he's in a position to stop or impede the pass, but he can't because his stick isn't on the ice.
Therefore, no one is really in a position to do anything to Matt Read, who's just going to one-time it. He hit it perfectly and so Brodeur had no real chance on this one. David Clarkson comes in way late and all he can do is bump Read after he scores. Perhaps he thought Volchenkov would win it and he could be in a position to transition; but his assumption failed. Still, I can't pin this on Clarkson as much as I can on Josefson's help failing and Foster putting himself in a position to not make a play.

This picture comes with a zoomed out camera, so bear with me on the particulars. The man at the center point is Kimmo Timonen and he just fired a shot. It gets past a kneeling Adam Henrique and the white jersey just inside the right circle gets a piece of it. That man is Scott Hartnell, who gets credited for the goal here. In seeing this live, I thought Brodeur was screened by two men and Wayne Simmonds got a piece of it. I was mistaken. Only Simmonds was in Brodeur's grill and he didn't get a touch on that puck. Hartnell's deflection was enough to sail the puck high enough while retaining most of it's velocity to get past a screened goaltender. That was the first PPGA.

Lastly, we come to this third picture. This is also during a Devils penalty kill and, yes, this also ends with a goal for Philadelphia. The Devils are set up in their box, a common PK formation. A common way to beat such a formation is to play around the perimeter until there's an opening. The Flyers were doing just that as Claude Giroux looks up from the corner. He saw Hartnell skate by Salvador and Zubrus into the spot on the ice where he's located. Because Zubrus does very little to impede Hartnell when he should have stuck with him or got up on him, Hartnell is open in the middle of the box. Patrik Elias and Volchenkov are too far away to do anything to Giroux; Hartnell beats Zubrus, and so Hartnell has a free shot on net if the pass is good. The pass was excellent so he hammered a one-timer and it beats Brodeur for the second PPGA. While not technically in the slot, allowing one-timers from a similar distance is a recipe for failure and that's exactly what happened.
The purpose of showing these three pictures is to highlight what happened on each goal against. It's not like the Flyers did anything special to score on either of their three non-empty net goals. The first and arguably the third came on busted coverage leading to a dangerous one-timer. The second was a deflection on a shot from distance that Brodeur didn't really see all that well to begin with. None of them were fancy plays. Brodeur paid the price statistically because 3 goals on 19 shots doesn't look good as a percentage; even though the failures were elsewhere. The team paid the price on the scoreboard and I do hope the Devils coaching staff reminds them of how it all happened at the next practice.
Optional Discipline: I'm sure the coaches are going to re-emphasize the importance of staying calm, cool, and collected during the game. A game against a rival tends to get feisty, but the Devils did themselves very few favors in how they responded. The Devils took 10 penalties, including 3 misconduct penalties. Two came near the end and they were for Brad Mills and Eric Boulton; the costly one came earlier when Clarkson got 10 minutes near the end of the second period. I suppose he got it for spitting some nasty verbals at the ref or Wayne Simmonds after a penalty was called. While David Clarkson isn't exactly a feature player, he does shoot quite a bit and that's good in a game where the Devils are losing. DeBoer was forced to mix up his forward lines to accommodate the unavailable winger, and I'm sure he's not happy about that.
Misconducts aside, the Devils six minor penalties, which is well more than they should have. Kovalchuk's delay of game call was avoidable and it proved costly. (Frustrating as it was, Timonen did the same exact thing later in the third period and the Devils did nothing with it.) Larsson's interference call could have been avoided. Dainius Zubrus didn't have take a swing after the whistle to get a roughing call, putting two right wingers in the box for a good chunk of the third period. Brad Mills didn't have to trip anyone. At least Clarkson's interference call came from a dive (and the ref called it wrong at first). While they weren't as bad as Philadelphia, the calls did lead to their demise this afternoon. The Devils have to be smarter than they were in today's game.
The Overrated Timeout: Peter Laviolette called a timeout 3:06 into the second period. The Flyers scored their first goal of the game 9:30 into the second. So it stands to reason that the timeout got the Flyers going, right? I don't think so.
Yes, the Flyers started off sluggish in the second period and the Flyers did manage to get a few shots on net afterwards. However, they had 5 shots in between the timeout and the goal and only one of them was within 30 feet of the goal. In fact, one of them was just a dump-in that Brodeur had to stop. The Flyers still allowed four shots against in that same timeframe. Most importantly, there were stoppages in play in between the timeout and the goal, including a TV timeout. Both coaches and players on both teams had several times to talk things out during those stoppages. As nice of a story it is to say: timeout led to superior play by Philly, it wasn't like the Flyers turned into steamrollers and the Devils were flattened. That didn't happen. As for the goal, just look at the first picture in this very post and examine the situation. That's not a result of good coaching or a good pep talk, it's a result of one Flyer winning a battle, realizing his opponents are mixed up, and taking advantage. That's all.
If you want to praise Laviolette for anything, then let it be for not running his forwards into the ground when Jaromir Jagr left the game due to a lower body injury and Zac Rinaldo leaving with an upper body injury - as noted in the NHL.com recap. He managed to keep the minutes of his remaining forwards down and he mixed up his lines, leading to some varied match-ups for the Devils. Not that they did great at 5-on-5 or suddenly won those match-ups, but he had fresh guys for their special teams, which carried them to a win. As an aside, Danny Briere suffered a concussion, but he played through it just like past Flyers before him - like Eric Lindros. More seriously, I hope he'll be OK.
I Hate the Devils Power Play: I already went over why prior to the jump, but I figure I'd say it again. If Adam Oates can't come up with more and better plays for this group of forwards, then DeBoer has to consider someone else to take that duty. It remains clear and apparent hours after this game that Oates is not the man to coach the Devils' power play.
The Big Game Is Upon Us: The Devils lost a sloppy, ugly game to their runner-ups in the hated rival department due to some awful special teams. That sucks and I don't expect Devils fans to be anything but unhappy about the 4-1 loss. However, this was not as big of a game as Tuesday's game against Buffalo. The Devils goal for this season is to get in the post season and the games against teams like Winnipeg, Washington, Florida, Ottawa, Toronto, and now Pittsburgh are the important ones. The Devils are directly competing with them for playoff spots. While the Sabres are behind that group of teams, the Devils can ill afford to come away with nothing in the game. A losing streak will be very damaging in the standings, and handing the Sabres points could lead to another competitor in that playoff bubble. Therefore, Tuesday's game is a bigger game for the Devils. Let's hope the team can sort their problems out in their next practice and come out with a better effort.
Again, I thank you for your patience in waiting for a fuller recap. While discussion has already started (and I answered some of the earlier comments in this very recap), I still want to know what you think about today's game. What did you like out of the Devils' performance? What, among their many issues, do the Devils need to improve upon for Tuesday's game? Can the Devils make those improvements? Please continue to leave your answers and other thoughts on this loss in the comments. Thanks to everyone who followed along in the Gamethread and on Twitter with @InLouWeTrust. Thank you for reading.
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Maybe time for some significant lines changes...kOVY BACK ON THE LEFT WING!!
Kovalchuk-Elias-Ponikarovsky
Parise-Henrique-Clarkson
Sykora-Josefson-Zubrus
PETE PLS TRY SOMETHING NEW!!
Subpar? You mean Zach “39 points in 47 games, tied for 32nd in the NHL in scoring” Parise and Ilya “40 points in 42 games, tied for 28th in the NHL in scoring” Kovalchuk?
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by John Fischer on Jan 21, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
common john
John, give it up man, i have ot stand with Kovyislove, Its in the numbers. Parise isnt having a great season. He isnt have a 6 million dollar season, he isnt even having a 30 goal season. The line hasnt produced what you would expect, espesially in key games against top teams. Also remember John that a very significant percentage of Parise’s points this year have come either on the powerplay or the penalty kill with henrique, and not on the line itself. in fact, parise has looked best without kovy anywhere near him, and with ice to work with with henrique. Anyone who has watched every game as i have would agree with that. so yes, it is subpar. both for his talent and his money and for what the team needs. what is so radical about what I have been proposing and other members started to now propose? that we try something new? thats all we are saying, give breaking them up a try. DeBoer has done one thing with his two top players all year long and one thing only. and that one strategy has been been overwhelmingly sucessful. So give something else a look see for a few games. I give my answers to what I’d do below.
Also remember John that a very significant percentage of Parise’s points this year have come either on the powerplay or the penalty kill with henrique, and not on the line itself.
17.95% of his points on the PK, 12.82% of his points on the PP. The majority of his points has come at evens this season.
Anyone who has watched every game as i have would agree with that. so yes, it is subpar. both for his talent and his money and for what the team needs. what is so radical about what I have been proposing and other members started to now propose? that we try something new? thats all we are saying, give breaking them up a try.
Of course anyone who has watched the game as you have would agree because you’re the only one who watches the game as you have and you’re not going to disagree with yourself.
Anyway, I’m not saying breaking them up is radical; I’m saying it’s not as easy of a fix as you think it to be. To do so, you’re either throwing one of them into the bottom six, which isn’t good for either of them, or you’re breaking up the Elias line, the team’s power line.
Maybe I’m being particular on the word “subpar.” No, Parise’s not producing like he did prior to his knee injury. But he’s not slumming it out there. He’s still one of the team’s top producers and compared with the rest of the entire NHL, that’s not too bad.
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by John Fischer on Jan 22, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
John you prove my points at every point in our dicussions. sometimes i think you get so bogged down in citing statistics that you miss the bigger picture.
(1) If I told you before the season Parise would have 28 goals you would say thats would be a subpar season at a minimum. Thats roughly what he is on pace for so just admit that its been a subpar season thus far for Parise at least.
(2) nearly 18 percent of total points coming from a penalty kill is a huge percentage. I doubt many others players have that high a percentage on a penalty kill, and i know parise has never seen that percentage of his points from the PK before in his career. that reality furthers the idea while his numbers are subpar over all, 5 on 5 with the PHK line, he is been even worse. (partly because he almost never has the puck).
(3) Your whole argument ammounts to keeping sykora happy at the expense of our captain and top player. Elias and Zubrus have played diverse roles, they can handle a break up. You really want to keep parise in a situation where he cannot thrive to placate sykora?
Problem with number 3- In every interview I have read or heard, Parise and Kovalchuk say they like playing with each other on the same line.
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i think they get that press is public and their not going to out another teammate pubicly saying they dont like playing with him.
Great point, that way you are right no matter what I say because I can’t prove what they are thinking. I see what you did there…
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(2) nearly 18 percent of total points coming from a penalty kill is a huge percentage. I doubt many others players have that high a percentage on a penalty kill, and i know parise has never seen that percentage of his points from the PK before in his career.
You’re right, he’s never seen got that many points (or minutes) on the PK. But he’s usually getting about 30% of his production from all special teams in his past few seasons.
(3) Your whole argument ammounts to keeping sykora happy at the expense of our captain and top player. Elias and Zubrus have played diverse roles, they can handle a break up. You really want to keep parise in a situation where he cannot thrive to placate sykora?
It’s not about keeping Sykora happy (I never said that in the comment but let’s put that aside), it’s about keeping a line together that takes on the toughs. Coaches match-up players and lines regularly and so the Devils need a line that can take on the other team’s best competition. While they aren’t always winning the match-up, Sykora, Elias, and Zubrus have done well against that competition this season. Parise, Henrique, and Kovalchuk haven’t faced the toughest competition this season and they’ve been worse than the Elias line in that regard. Split up the Henrique line as much as you want, but the new unit has to take on the tough competition and that means breaking up a unit that does work this season.
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by John Fischer on Jan 23, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Subpar
I think it’s pretty evident from the numbers you posted. Two elite players playing on the top line of a playoff caliber team and they are only 28th and 32nd in scoring. I’m no expert, but that is subpar.
Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? ~Jim Bouton
by LaserVortex888 on Jan 22, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, the 2nd line center has more points than those two
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 22, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
It’s uncanny how after 3 wins some posters are ghosts, but after two losses they poke their heads back in to whine about how things aren’t working.
Some posters show up after losses, some posters show up after goals against, and some posters show up when something goes awry – yet all are quiet when things go well.
It is a mystery.
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by John Fischer on Jan 22, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
neither of you name who you are referring to with either of your posts. so its a blanket statement no one can respond to
And you seem intent on taking offense to everything John says for some reason.
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I agree with 90 percent of what John writes in his recaps. But its true we have had some big picture disagreements in the past.
(1) he thought the team should let kovy walk, i thought they needed to sign him and wouldnt have traded for him unless they knew they would sign him
(2) he thought langs and arnott had no market and wouldnt be traded; i thought early on last year it was inevitable they would be traded.
(3) i thought colin white was expendable and would be traded; he didnt think this was likely
(4) most recently, I’ve argued that Hedberg (the goalie with the better save and winning percentage over a year in a half of head to head play with Marty) deserves to get a few more starts, possibly even splitting games with Marty, who has been somewhat inconsistent. John has been pretty luke warm on that idea.
(5) I’ve suggested here and many times in the past that parise and kovy on the same line doesnt my structural sense for the team. I’ve pointed to parise dissapointing performance this season and reason for DeBoer to at least give those two players another look. He hasnt done that once all season long. based on his response recently, john seems to disagree, and seems to be satisfied with a parise season of less than 30 goals.
I've been right a few times, so I'm always, always right!
Everyone who disagrees with me is a poopy-head!
Is that a succinct enough summarization of the arguments above?
You got it!
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by John Fischer on Jan 23, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sick of the Henrique line, sick, sick sick… Parise’s suffering a lot from the lame pairing, he’s a non-factor too many games, Kovalchuk when he’s hot could score the same goals with anybody Zubrus, Elias, Josefson, etc, etc. There’s nothing special between Parise and Kovy to keep them together. Enough with that joke Pete Deboer, it’s time to put back Kovalchuk where he belongs.
Moreover Sykora is missing plenty of quality set-ups from Elias, It makes weeks that I keep an eye on Sykora’s opportunities (nothing special against him) and I’m sure Kovalchuk would’ve score 4 or 5 more goals than him already.
That was a disgusting performance by the team today, like I said Parise was a non-factor, Kovalchuk was horrible, his defensive effort are way too inconstant. , Foster is a pure liability, I’d take Taormina over him without any doubt when Greene comes back.
Rant terminated.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 21, 2012 5:57 PM EST reply actions
Hopefully Parise isn’t on a different line from Kovy on a different team.
na-na-na-na HEY! You SUCK!!
What you gonna do if he wants to leave ? It will be his decision.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 21, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
liability is the perfect word to describe Foster and his defensive stylings.
by JTdevs on Jan 21, 2012 7:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If Foster is a liability then Taormina is a catastrophe. I don’t know why everyone is so in love with him right now, this isn’t last year, he isn’t scoring a bunch of goals when he is in the line up, and even if he was he still has to play defense.
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Are you kidding ? Taormina’s played less than 40 games, Foster is a frigging veteran. Matt’s got a very good offensive upside, he’s a great skater, makes quick decisions. Of course he needs to improve his defense, but he’s not 31 years old like Foster.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 22, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’d be fine with him on the 4th line, just not the blue line. Call me old fashioned but they are called defensemen for a reason.
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Taormina’s already a better defenseman than Foster. They both get protected but Taormina is +/- +4 while Foster is +/- -4 and has made some costly mistakes in his own end already.
"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"
by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 22, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
By the way, I don’t see everyone in love with Taormina here. I’m perhaps the only one. But it’s clear to me he’s got some real talent.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 22, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think he has talent, but its offensive talent. On a team that struggles to play defense for long stretches of the game, having a defenseman that can only contribute offensively isn’t much of a help at this point.He needs to learn to play defense, and he isn’t going to learn up here while he is getting caught on the wrong side of center ice while the opponent has a break away, or by burying his head into the opponents back side instead of trying to get between him and the puck.
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If you would keep Foster over him, I would disagree otherwise he sure has to develop a better defense but let’s face it he’ll never be an Android 2.0. He’s got the skills of an offensive defenseman.
And the Devils are currently bad at both sides of the rink , at least Taormina’s got the potential to be good at one of those things.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 22, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
About the PP, this pretty simple. They try to set-up Kovy for his (inaccurate) one-timer, otherwise they’ve got no clue what they could do with the puck. There’s no system, there’s no movement, no imagination.
The Devils PP is just made of dark matter. any brilliance can’t come out of it.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 21, 2012 6:06 PM EST reply actions
Kovalchuk didn’t move much on the PP today, and that’s a problem. He’s more effective when he’s sliding up and down, forcing the defense to keep tabs on him and rotate to prevent passes from opening up because he changes position.
Then again, it seemed that he wasn’t necessarily the only one. When the PP becomes stationary and predictable, it’s incredibly easy to defend.
you explain what is the issue with the Devils PP there: When Kovy is not hot enough to carry the PP on his shoulders “the PP becomes stationary and predictable, it’s incredibly easy to defend”.
The current PP system is relying on one and unique player.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 22, 2012 5:17 AM EST up reply actions
I may not be the greatest hockey mind of all time, but why can’t we just set up a guy infront for a screen and blast the puck and have the other forwards crash in for rebounds? All this fancy passing isn’t getting us anywhere.
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the few rebounds coming from the PP shots are easily cleared by the opposition, each time the guys around the net are not in position. I blame the whole system in place, it’s all desynchronized.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 22, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
The Top 6 did nothing today.
The 4th line never does anything. That Boulton beatdown of Shelley was the highlight of the game though.
I like the trade. Once Zajac comes back, we will have 3 legit lines. I agree that a reshuffling of the 3 lines couldn’t hurt though.
I was not impressed with the Flyers.
I was not impressed with Marty either. 16 saves??!!
I was once again disappointed that the arena was taken over by our rivals fans. Will Wells Fargo be 50% Devs fans in 2 weeks?
2011-12 Season: We lose every big game. The Rags win every big game. What kind of bizarro universe is this?
And I’m pretty sure Bryzuniverse has his 2 best games of this season agaist us…….
na-na-na-na HEY! You SUCK!!
The snow storm definitely hurt what would have easily been a sold-out crowd today at Prudential.
by DiffuseTheBob on Jan 21, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
whats upsetting is that the flyers and bruins both played pretty lousy games. Marty was ok in both games but didnt face a lot of shots
Marty had no chance on the three goals he allowed yesterday. There wasn’t a whole lot he could have done against Boston, either.
If you’re clamoring for Moose to be in net based on those two games, Johan Hedberg wouldn’t have gotten those shots, either. If he had, some of them we’d be seeing on replays for the rest of the season because they’d be that good.
so you have magical goalie powers too acasser? so much so you can arrogantly assert that a goalie with a better save percentage would not have a stopped a goal that a goalie with a worse save percentage let in? Can i give you any goal scored in the league and match it with any goalie in the league and you’ll tell me what would have happened? your a joke. and if you have been paying attention, you would have noticed i advovate hedberg getting equal starts 50/50 with Marty, because his play over the long haul has earned it. never have i said hedberg should start all the games, though consistently and ignorantly attribute that view to me.
Save percentage measures past events — it is not a fair indication of whether any given future shot will be stopped.
As for whether or not Hedberg stops those shots, I don’t think there are very many goalies in the NHL who stop those. Deflections through screens are unpredictable, and goalies get those as much by luck as by skill (positioning). A goal like the first one the Flyers scored yesterday is a bang-bang play off a one-timer that only materializes because the other defenders on the ice botch the play multiple times.
If you’re going to be over-the-top sarcastic, try using the sarcasm font. At least then we’ll know not to take you so seriously.
I would like to know what Laviolette said during the timeout. Because it worked.
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P and K
No points from P or K in either of the past two games. Their line really wasnt very threatening in either game. While Kovy has gotten hot of late, neither P or K is at the 20 goal mark, and Parise is stuck at 15, at least two of which have been penalty shots or empty net. Its still an open question as to whether either player will eclipse the 30 goal mark this year, and many people would agree that the Devils need closer to 40 from each to be a threatening team.
Question: We are 47 games in, given the above, is Pete DeBoer ever going to experiment with separating P and K and having them play their natural positions? Another question: What would have to happen, or how far off the career averages, would P and K have to be for Pete DeBoer to experiment with separating them?
I’m going to assume you mean Parise and Kovalchuk and not Ponikarovsky and Kurtis Foster.
Well, I don’t think the coach or the GM looks at the career average and decides how to play the players as much as they look at how they perform on the ice. I doubt even the most cynical fan would think the powers that be make their decisions just by looking at the point totals.
I will agree that the two have not done all that much in the last two games. However, it’s a deeper problem than just splitting up Kovalchuk and Parise. What do you do with Henrique? What do you do with the Elias line? Who gets moved where? Can the supposed new linemates handle passes or play the same style that plays to Kovalchuk’s or Parise’s strengths? Which one of the new units takes on the other team’s best line? Most of all, if it’s just two games where they were off, then why blow up the current lineup if we believe one or both of them will do better in future games? These are the questions that I would think DeBoer and his assistants consider.
Truthfully, the Henrique line has been starting to be more positive in possession more often. Even today, they were positive despite not doing as much shooting as I would have liked. It’s what a scoring line should do – out-attempt their opponents. That will lead to goals and cut down on the opposition’s attack at the same time.
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by John Fischer on Jan 21, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Agree totally here. I can’t say I agree with breaking them up. Because I’m just not sure the results are going to change. To me the PHK line generates has been a beast. Up until these two loses the team was 13-6-1.
Also today there was also a lot of special teams play and 4v4. So he PHK line didn’t get as many shifts together.
I didn’t think they played that bad today or yesterday. Just need to score goals and biggest problem still is the PP.
puck possesion
good one on ponikarowsky and foster.
the main idea behind breaking up P and K is puck posession. both P and K are players that thrive on having the puck and handeling the puck; they always want the biscuit, their dangerous when they have; they attract the other teams D in ways other teams dont when they have the puck, opening up scoring opportunities for other players, and lets face it, their goal scorers, and they can only shoot when they have the puck.
the problem with having them both on the same line is that your reducing the optimal ammount of time P and K can each have the puck and score or open up scoring chances for others in half automatically. its not rocket science really. there is only 60 minutes in a game and only one puck on the ice. they both make plays when they have the puck, your cutting their play making chances by having them both on the ice at once. the player who it has hurt the most it Parise. He has had a lot less puck time and opportunity to make plays with the current line set up. Now, if the players had an incredible chemistry together and worked in synergy all or most of the time, you might justify looking past the point I’ve raised. But that clearly has not been the case. They have been good at times, hard to notice a lot of other times.
as for specific lines, I would keep parise with henrique and allow them to work the chemistry they have had pentalty killing in 5 on 5 situations, and put them with a complementary player, that wants get some clean up goals and work the boards, not hog the puck. Until Zajac is back I would put Kovy to the Left of Elias. This also allows your two top players to play their natural left wing positions. It will be up to Sykora or Ponikarovsky to make the transition to right wing. If DeBoer wants to try Sykora on right wing for a bit to keep with elias, thats fine, but ultimately the whole team, and the productiveness of our two top players cannot be held hostage to who Sykora likes to play with. personally, like the top line a described id put a player who wants to work the boards and get to scrappy clean up goals with kovy and elias, mr zubrus.
parise henrique clarkson
kovy elias zubrus
sykora josefson ponikarovsky
really? a line with a former 40 goal scorer, a leading calder trophy candidate, and a 15 goal scorer having a big year? really a line with two skilled players and a power forward is awful? like thats never done before right?
“Those lines are awful”. great argument. you convinced me there buddy
Clarkson is not a top 6 forward. Even in Columbus.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 22, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the main idea behind breaking up P and K is puck posession. both P and K are players that thrive on having the puck and handeling the puck; they always want the biscuit, their dangerous when they have; they attract the other teams D in ways other teams dont when they have the puck, opening up scoring opportunities for other players, and lets face it, their goal scorers, and they can only shoot when they have the puck.
Parise doesn’t really thrive with the puck. The main feature of his game is that he likes to cycle and work down low. He’ll continually be in motion and pounce on pucks that are loose or get open for a pass where he can take a close-range shot. He’s actually at his best off the puck.
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by John Fischer on Jan 22, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I dont entirely agree parise doesnt like the puck. for one he dangerous with the puck. and while i agree he can cycle work down low much better than kovy, he is skill means he is dangerous with open ice and on the rush, two areas his game has seen significantly less action because he is on a line with Kovy. Kovy essentially makes parise a one dimensional player. they are both too dominating (or should be) to be together.
and in any case, whether im right your right in theory, it doesnt really matter. the results havent been there. its long past the time for pete deboer to attempt something different.
and this just isn’t true, either.
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hes on pace for less than 30 goals. you go ahead and defend that as a stellar parise season. im still waiting for your actual argument
cool? most of the reason for that is because he’s got 1 goal on the power play. at even strength he’s off by a few goals.
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The reason he is so bad on the PP this year is all on Oats, they keep looking for the long cross ice pass and it chews up time and gets picked off as often as it gets through. Why can’t they pass around the outside until someone has an open shot and keep one or two players in the box for screens and deflections and just shoot when you have the lane? Simpler is always better, but they seem intent on being fancy.
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In the old system Parise scored a lot of goals in the slot and crease by cleaning up the trash and getting in the dirty areas. You add 5 goals to Parise’s total and there would be a lot less clamor for change. The fact is Parise is a chippy grinder with a lot of skill, that’s why he scores so many goals. He is not a finesse player that can weave in and out and score that way.
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i cite as counter evidence, his work with henrique two on one on the rush. open ice parise has been the most effective parise all year long, frankly
I’m not saying he can’t play with finesse, I am merely saying a large amount of his production in the past has come from his gritty game in close. With out that component to his game he won’t produce nearly as much as he had in the past.
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i don’t think parise is a particularly good player on the rush.
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Ilya Kovalchuk’s 19 goals are tied-17th in the NHL right now. Four teams have multiple 20-goal scorers. So that means Kovy’s 19 goals are as many or more tallies than the leading goal-scorer on 17 of the other 29 clubs.
Yes, expectations for Ilya Kovalchuk are high, and we expect to see the lamp lit more often. To blame him and solely him (or him and Parise) isn’t particularly fair. As Chico pointed out early in the broadcast (before any goals were scored), if you take away the seven Devils in double-figures in the goal scoring department the remaining forwards entered the day with 8 goals total (and 4 of those from Albany’s Nick Palmieri). If you add Poni’s marker from today and all the goals scored by Devils’ defensemen this season, you still only come up with 16 goals this season.
It’s nice to have seven guys with 12 or more goals, but it would be really nice if some of the other skaters on the roster would chip in with a little something too.
Im not using this as an excuse for losing the game, because like John said the special teams were the problem today… but does anyone else think the Flyers get away with a tremendous amount of holding in the corners? They always hold the forwards who are on the forecheck and get away with it every time.
There was a lot of that on both sides, I felt, but I saw plenty of what you mean. It was National Hug Day and the Flyers decided to try that out. For a game where 19 penalties were called, the refs really did let a lot go. I think the most egregious non-call was Timonen intentionally knocking the net off during a Devils power play.
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by John Fischer on Jan 21, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that was a terrible non-call. From my angle it looked like Timmonen clearly shoved the net off and a bunch of us were yelling about that. Another non-call that bugged me was one play which I can’t remember the surrounding circumstances, but Henrique was basically held to the point of being dragged down to the ice near the half boards.
I remember that play it was just a 10 to 30 seconds before timmomen knocked the net off
by danglingdevils on Jan 21, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
or how about the hook on sykora on the powerplay in the first period. the ref was looking right at it and just let it go. horrible officiating today.
by poopydoodie11 on Jan 21, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
on faceoffs
can someone please explain the faceoff rule to me? i have never seen so many people get tossed from the dot in one game. the crowd was actually getting pretty annoyed with it in the first.
on briere
sorry to hear about his concussion and of course i hope he gets better. on another note, as a season ticket holder, ive been to plenty of devils flyers games over the years and i sit pretty close so i get a good view of what goes on from shift to shift between the players. all todays game did was confirm my opinoin that danny briere is one of the dirtiest players in the league. in the third period bryzgalov covered the puck and elias has fallen over. hes laying there and after the whistle, briere casually reaches across his head and yanks back as hard as he can. ive been a season ticket holder elias’ whole career and ive never seen him get mad like that, so you know it was pretty bad.
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We are now into the second half of the season. The same mistakes are being made over and over again. Battles of the boards are continually lost, team gets pinned in the defensive end for long periods. Spacing in the offensive zone is just plain terrible. Opposition continually crashes the net to pit pressure on our D. Devils offense hardly ever crashes the net, always standing around waiting for pretty plays. On the PP they are like statues on the perimiter looking to feed Kovalchuck for a one timer at the top of the left circle. No Imagination and opponents always know what to expect.
Too many turnovers at the blue lines. It looks like their afraid to stumble over the line itself. Turnover Turnovers Turnovers with Kovalchuk being the primary culprit. All of these issues never seem to get addressed. My suggestion…Keep it simple. Shoot it in a, get it deep, win the battles and crash the net with intelligent spacing. Possess the puck. It takes hard work and I’m not seeing much of an effort here on a nightly basis.. Boston and Philly did exactly these things and the Rangers do it too. That is why they are at the top of the Division. That and they have goalies that are better than ours. Thatb is not a knock on Brodeur and Hedberg but their reflexes are nit what they used to be. The past few weeks i’ve been watching how slow Marty’s reactions are in general and how long it takes him to recover from an initiaL save. He is either injured or time has caught up with him. The coaching staff is being out coached too often. Many of the TV games that I get on NHL Center Ice are opponents broadcasts and they all point out the Devils weaknesses and all are correct. In short their “keys to the game” include forchecking the Devils D, stop Kovy from the top of the circle and keep the Devs on the perimiter allow one shot and get it out on the counterattack.
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I’m a fan of constantly tweaking of the lines like Lemaire used to do but People need to remember that the Henrique line was the hottest line in the NHL not very long ago.
If things go bad against the sabres I could see a move or two to shake things up but to blow it all up would be reckless.
Also: Refs make bad calls. It happens to everyone. This is why having a decent powerplay is SO important. I hate using ref’s as an exscuse for anything.
by Sn0 on Jan 22, 2012 9:22 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Call me a whiner or whatever
But I’ve never been impressed by this line even when its players were doing fine. Kovalchuk scored many points when he got short-shifted with Elias, on PP and on individual efforts while Parise and Henrique developped a solid chemistry.
I’m sure about one thing: If Kovalchuk was playing with Elias instead of Sykora, he would’ve been around the 25 goals by now.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 22, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions
John,
While I’m not going to defend how poorly the PP played yesterday, 8 shots in 9:15 minutes is average to above average power play performance in a shots/60 fashion. You seem to continually miss this.
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Maybe, but getting shots on the powerplay isn’t the goal really, it’s getting high quality shots or shots with screens/deflections. Parise can try to bank it off the defender 10 times and it may go in once, not worth it yet he’s always done it.
And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?
“All the shots were from the outside and no screen, I can play goal and save them.”
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 22, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
I know you were just pulling numbers out of the air to make a point, but you may want to choose different ones: 10% shooting percentage is still pretty good.
That’s because….I didn’t divide. I did it this morning and, you’re right, 8 shots out of 9:15 is above 50 SF/60. I’ll be more careful to highlight how the PP is terribly inconsistent where they’ll have one with a few shots on net but nothing on the net.
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by John Fischer on Jan 23, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
I can see the point in having kovy play with elias. When those two were on the line it went well. Elias is a great playmaker, it felt smoother than kovy’s current line. I’m not complaining about that one either, its a decent line. But obviously we want to maximize the potential from each line. I dont hate sykora, but Kovy is better than sykora in every way. Sykora is old, he is slow, his shots are often uncontrolled and wild.
But this leaves a lw slot open on the first line, who goes there? We’ll also be getting zajac soon enough, and I dont want him on the third line. we can move zuby back to wing, and zajac at center. Still have to fill out the 1st line lw spot now

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