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Devils Hoisted By Their Own Petard, Lose 2-1 In Shootout

The Devils haven't won since Tallinder suffered his leg Injury. Bad sign?

Tonight's game could best be described in one word- unfortunate. The game itself wasn't unfortunate- rather incredibly boring (So much so that TG even had to say that it was terrible on twitter). What happened to the Devils was. The Devils outshot the Sabres. They had the better chances. They had a PPG. Yet all they managed was one goal and one point. The Sabres only goal came on an unfortunate bounce off a stanchion right to Jordan Leopold. Everything that could've went wrong went wrong for the Devils. And they lost to the worst team in the east. Going into the All-Star break, the Devils are in a 3 game losing streak, without their best defenseman. Who knows what's going to happen now?

More thoughts on tonight's game can be found after the jump, or over at Die By the Blade if you want a Sabres perspective.

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Ryan Miller, American Hero Mode

Ryan Miller came into this game looking like he was Dan Cloutier. He was giving up soft goals left and right. Yet tonight, he looked like the guy that had America in the hunt for goal. The Devils did a good job of pressuring Miller, they put up a good number of shots on net, but 1 goal is unacceptable- one goal that came because of an equally lucky break, where Kurtis Foster's shot hit Tyler Myers right in the nards and right to Patrik Elias. Myers was down and couldn't block Elias' shot, which was huge. Outside of that goal, Miller was sharp, especially in overtime where he stopped a great chance by Bryce Salvador and Ilya Kovalchuk.

Peter DeBoer, John MacLean Mode

No, he wasn't as grossly incompetent as MacLame was. However, he did do a bit of line juggling tonight, and it didn't work out very well. The lines were all over the place. The line changes were abit unnecessary. I understand the team isn't scoring, but does throwing random lines together mean that they will? Is Adam Henrique going to generate more offense with Ryan Carter and Alexei Ponikarovsky? Who knows. At best these line changes are magic beans- they could either work or fail miserably.

Peter Harrold, Non Factor Mode

Peter Harrold played tonight. I never once noticed him on the ice. Moving on...

This Team Makes Absolutely No Sense

Okay, I've been meaning to have a bit of a mini-rant about this team. I really have no clue who the Devils are right now. One minute they're winning games and showing us that they can be a good team. At other times they're horrendous. They're consistent at being inconsistent. They've been both amazing and terrible at special teams. For all we know, in a month the Devils could be closing back on a higher playoff spot or just falling out of it and trading Zach Parise (side note: hello Brendan Gaunce). For all I know this mini-slump could just be another one of those slumps where the team loses a few and then rebounds with better play. Who knows? I really have no clue where the team will be at the end of the season and what they will do after the all-star break against the Rangers. I've watched as many games as I can this year, and I cannot make any sense of this team.

Your Thoughts

Tonight's game was brutal to watch and the Devils only came out with one point. I'm not happy with tonight's game, are you? Leave your thoughts in the comments. Thanks for reading.

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Unfortunate

If it wasn’t for the freak goal for the Sabres, Marty would have had his first shutout of the season. Not that this is an excuse, because the Devils had more than 1 glorious chances to score so I would agree that “unfortunate” is the best word to describe the game.

by CJen on Jan 24, 2012 10:33 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions   1 recs

I feel exactly the same about this team right now.

They are a riddle, wrapped in an enigma, wrapped in a conundrum, rolled up in a giant flour tortilla to make a big “WTF is this team’s deal?” burrito.

Status quo.

by nyynygnjd on Jan 24, 2012 10:39 PM EST reply actions  

Mmm WTF Burrito…

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 25, 2012 7:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I hear you also

I was at the Flyers game this weekend and they had a huge WTF Burrito station at the Ice Bar. I was so confused I ate two and have not been right for days.

Head shots are for the weak, a real man hits the body.

by Biggs Johnson on Jan 25, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Now we know what it feels like...

Remember those 10 or 11 wins (sorry I don’t know the exact number) we had around the halfway point last year? Well most of them came like what Buffalo did tonight, playing quite a poor game but stealing a win with some good bounces. But that aside, you nailed it in the postgame Kevin; everything that could go wrong went wrong and like you I am quite furious about our inconsistency. Also I feel our game with the Rangers coming up next week creates a bad recipe for a four game losing streak, but who knows…. Also I was quite furious about the Parise missed call in overtime. It should have been a PP for us at least, but no excuses…

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by andy6637 on Jan 24, 2012 10:44 PM EST reply actions  

Also most of our losses under Johnny Mac were games like the one we played tonight. Very disturbing to see this sort of regression to last season’s antics.

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by Alamoth on Jan 24, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

How was this game anything like under John MacLean? The Devils didn’t give up 3 in the second period and get a consolation goal in the third period with zero changes to their tactics in either period?

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by John Fischer on Jan 25, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

My question is

Has this team finally peaked? Are they falling victim to the classic sports cycle?

Since our last cup we’ve been knocked out of the playoffs in either the first or second rounds and missing the playoffs last season. Are we one more bad season away from a full rebuild? Has to coaching merry go round finally caught up with them? Has the ownership situation had any affect on the players?

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by BlueChill on Jan 24, 2012 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

It’s very difficult to say. This is only the third time all season we’ve lost three games in a row, and there’s yet to be a fourth consecutive loss making the Rags game absolutely huge. I think next tuesday’s game will answer this question.

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by Alamoth on Jan 24, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m disappointed you pulled out an archaic line from Hamlet for the title but then didn’t do a Shakespearean-themed recap.

Plenty of tragedy to draw from…

by elesias on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

Here ya go:

Something’s rotten in the state of Jersey.

by Alan Wright on Jan 26, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Inexcusable.

This club is a total wreck. They suck at home, their offense is totally inconsistent despite the talent level, and once again MB30 is outplayed. This is unacceptable and downright pathetic. They NEED to fix these issues ASAP or once again their season is a lost cause. Get a clue Lou.

by Marv95 on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

Marty played fine

Not sure I would agree that Marty was outplayed as he made some great saves when needed. But I agree that something needs to happen to shake this team up for the better in the home stretch of the season.

by CJen on Jan 24, 2012 11:15 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Well, how could he not be “outplayed” in this game if he didn’t get enough action Brodeur had 0 chance on the only goal, and I mean 0, and he stopped all the other shots, it was a great night for our #30

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Jan 24, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeez the shootout, where he gave up one more skills competition goal, if anything blame the skaters for scoring once in four tries.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Jan 25, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not blaming him for the loss.

by NJDOhio on Jan 25, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Thoughts

I would have thought the Devils would have come out better than they did, especially after losing two in a row. They are now 2/3 of the way through a 6 game homestand with 3 points to show for it. They have to be better at home if they expect to stay in the top 8.

The positives I take away from this game are Adam Larsson’s play. He had 26 minutes of ice-time and did a lot of good things.

Marty played well. I thought for a number of reasons Hedberg should have started this game, but there was nothing that Marty did that hurt them here.

The head scratching items I take away from this game: PDB’s line shuffling. Not so much the combinations, just the fact that when he actually does change lines, he goes into Lemaire mode with a new combination every shift. And unless Josefson still isn’t at 100%, he should be playing more than Ryan Carter. PDB’s love for Ryan Carter is bordering on the pathological.

Volchenkov with only 12 minutes of ice time? I don’t get it. I understand he is with a defensively defecient partner a lot now, but let’s give one of the few experienced defenders a bit more ice-time.

Peter Harrold took Foster’s ice-time at the end of the game. Not something Kurtis will be adding to his resume anytime soon.

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by Tom Stivali on Jan 24, 2012 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

I think Larsson was a mixed bag tonight. Plenty of suspect passes that almost cost us the point we got.

by HouseRich on Jan 24, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Replies

The Devils did come out much slower than I expected. A better team than Buffalo would have punished them in the first period. Unacceptable.

Larsson looked like a solid two-way defenseman tonight. Yes.

Marty has looked good in every game since Calgary. He should get the start against the Rags.

The line shuffling was absurd. At first I thought the back-to-back power plays resulted in Elias needing an extra few seconds on the bench, but clearly I was wrong. Then again, in all fairness, this team has scored three goals in its last three games. Changes need to be made.

I agree that Ryan Carter has outgrown his warm reception. Kid needs to put up or he’s going to be the healthy scratch at center once Zajac returns.

I think Volchenkov’s ice time was limited in an attempt to give Fayne/Larsson/Salvador more minutes with which to make something happen offensively.

I thought Harrold did about as much with those minutes as Foster would. Why do we pay these two guys? When will Urbom be ready? Can we call up Jon Merrill? Okay, maybe not that last one.

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by Alamoth on Jan 24, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

We outplayed the Sabres, but the Sabres suck, and we weren’t THAT much better than them, really a crap performance.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Jan 24, 2012 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

We didn’t play bad at all the final 45 mins. We got some bad breaks, and Miller played great for once. Although, its getting frustrating that these overpaid goalies have their best games against us, and then go right back to being terrible.

All in all, being in the Top 8 at the All Star Break is a helluva lot better than not.

I expect this team will look different a week from tonight.

Hopefully Greene and TZ will be back.

Anyone think there’s a chance we just saw Zach play his last game as a Devil????

na-na-na-na HEY! You SUCK!!

by mogilny89 on Jan 24, 2012 11:34 PM EST reply actions  

I’m optimistic that Zach will still be here.

by HouseRich on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Doubt they’ll move Zach that quickly when they’re still in the top 8

by otamamij on Jan 25, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Five Thoughts I'd Like to Share

1. Adam Henrique owes Marty another beer. On the Leopold goal, Henrique is covering Leopold who is crashing the net, as any responsible center would. However, as the puck goes behind the net he cheats his way onto the breakout, abandoning Leopold all alone in front of Marty where he can score unmolested. If Henrique sticks to his man then maybe he also sees where the puck actually ends up and can prevent the goal.

2. Kovalchuk played almost half the game and I wish he had played more. He was the only exciting player on the ice trying to make something happen.

3. Shots,shots, shots shots. Petr Sykora needed to shoot more tonight. Hell, Henrique had four shots on net and I think he should have shot more. 28 shots may seem like a lot but the Devils put a lot of pucks right into the bodies of defenders. It was atrocious. They need to work on getting pucks on net, not on bodies.

4. Peter Harrold was not awful. He played maybe one shift on offense and then rotated in on defense for 8 total minutes of ice time including 30s at the end of the Devils first power play. He got the team’s second shot on net in the anemic first period and overall had good effort. That said, I don’t understand how this is an upgrade over Nick Palmieri or Vladimir Zharkov. I do understand he plays a sounder two-way game than Tedenby.

5. Marty looked really sharp on almost all of his saves. It’s unfortunate that he ends up with a loss for this one and misses out yet again on getting his first shutout of the season. I am perfectly comfortable with him starting against the Rags next week.

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by Alamoth on Jan 24, 2012 11:50 PM EST reply actions  

1. Adam Henrique owes Marty another beer. On the Leopold goal, Henrique is covering Leopold who is crashing the net, as any responsible center would. However, as the puck goes behind the net he cheats his way onto the breakout, abandoning Leopold all alone in front of Marty where he can score unmolested. If Henrique sticks to his man then maybe he also sees where the puck actually ends up and can prevent the goal.

How can you blame anyone for that goal?

by dkball7 on Jan 25, 2012 6:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, its fairly likely that Henrique would have been looking around for the puck regardless of where he was standing.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 25, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure you can fairly blame anyone for that goal.

At the same time, is it too much to ask for Adam Henrique to stick with his man in that spot? Leopold stops in front of the net while the puck is going behind it, and Henrique simply left him there. Sure, the puck isn’t likely to come to that spot at that moment, but leaving guys all alone in front of the goal is a great way to see that red light come on behind the goal…. and the Devils have done more than their fair share of abandoning guys in front of the goal recently.

by acasser on Jan 25, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Buffalo has three skaters heading into the zone. The D-Men are covering two of them. The third is crashing the net. The puck is behind the net. The Center has two options. One, he covers the guy who is crashing the net. Two, he floats around the circle looking for a breakout pass.

Henrique chose to abandon the guy crashing the net and opted to float higher in the zone for a breakout pass. The result is that the unmarked skater in front of the net gets a loose puck and scores. How is that not partially, if not completely, Henrique’s fault.

If you want to blame the puck bouncing off the stanchion fine, but there’s no excuse for the center not marking the man in front of the net in the defensive end when the d-men are both covering other skaters below or around the puck. That’s just fundamental play in your own zone.

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by Alamoth on Jan 25, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You are fogetting that 996 times out of 1000, that puck goes around the boards and is dealth with accordingly. The correct play for Henrique as a Center is to head for the outlet pass from whichever D gets the puck as it goes around the boards. He shouldn’t be covering that guy in front because the puck shouldn’t have gone there. It was a freak bounce that had an even longer-odds bounce right in front of Leopold. It sucks, but it happens.

To blame Henrique for this is reactionary. If he stuck with his guy in front of the net and the puck took the usual path around the boards, people would be all up in his face about just standing around in front of the net and not being in position to get the puck out of the zone.

I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.

by Murdoc on Jan 25, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

How many people would have launched into a text-wall of blame at Ilya Kovalchuk had it been his man?

by acasser on Jan 25, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

tonights game was just about awful for everyone involved not wearing #30. The Devils were already on vacation in the first, finally showed up 5 minutes into the second, and then PDB blew up the ship to start the 3rd . I dont even care that they outplayed the worst team in the east. Total fail. Hopefully they shake it off and bring 10 times that effort next Tuesday. Im not ready to sound the alarm bells just yet, i think the result tonight spoke for itself. Im expexcting more effort from them moving forward.

by JTdevs on Jan 24, 2012 11:57 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Every time this team finishes a game and has only scored one goal I have to keep going back to my vhs tapes of the 00-01 season to remind myself that it is possible for a Devils team to be good at scoring goals

by Zmizzle93 on Jan 25, 2012 12:46 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Agree with the write up….boring game with a few spurts of excitement. if you see the boxscore and the Devils have one goal 95% of the time this team is going to lose. They don’t have the defense or goaltending to win 1-0 games. There are no Neidemeyer, Stevens and Daneyko’s on the backline or a Brodeur in his prime. We were lucky to get a point scoring one goal again. I agree it’s time to send Ryan Carter packing.

by denmay on Jan 25, 2012 7:44 AM EST reply actions  

Not looking forward to coming back from the break...

…with 3 of the next 5 against the Rangers and Flyers and only scoring 1 goal a game, it’s going to be a tough stretch…

by otamamij on Jan 25, 2012 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

agreed. the rangers games out of the break is now huge given the three losses

by max16s on Jan 26, 2012 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

With the turnaround going on in St Louis, does anyone else think Lou made the wrong coaching choice?

by HouseRich on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

I’m not sure if it was Hitch or the fact that they’re as good a possession team as Detroit.

OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.

by Ubiquitous on Jan 25, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Bruins and Flyers games

Getting dominated by two top teams probably did some damage to the Devils confidence and motivation.

It’s time to do something about the first line. It doesn’t work. Kovalchuk needs a playmaker and should be the LW on the Elias line. Move Sykora to RW and move Zubrus to RW on the Henrique line. Couldn’t hurt to try it. Without changes, I think the trend is going to be down, down, down and out of the playoffs.

by Felon on Jan 25, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Agree with your line suggestions.

by NJDOhio on Jan 25, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

im right with you on the line changes

by max16s on Jan 26, 2012 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Where are we now

I hate to join the chorus of hand wringers on this blog, but this team is really looking pathetic. If they at least had some scrappiness, it wouldn’t be as difficult to watch. But the energy is sporadic at best
Motivation is something that the coach has to stimulate. It unfortunately appears that DeBoer doesn’t have the capability to do so. We have some very skilled forwards being deployed badly, and D that may improve somewhat, but sure isn’t ready for prime time most nights. We all know the goalie situation.
It’s hard to get excited about the Devs these days. Or even keep from being bored.

by nosoap1 on Jan 25, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions  


It is in fact filled with “Krudt” and not “Peter DeBoer”.

I hope to join Claude Lemieux in Hell one day for a beer....

by HELLAWAITS on Jan 25, 2012 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

Got one point. I think they deserved another for Android’s open ice hit on Kaleta. Devs had plenty of chances, jsut couldn’t crack the tender. Overly exciting it wasn’t, but it had its moments. I would have been happier with 2 points, but at least it wasn’t a calgary redux.

I think they recover from this, get the rest and come back tuesday with a 4-2 win against the Rags.

I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.

by Murdoc on Jan 25, 2012 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

I hope you’re right but at this point I don’t see the Devils getting 4 goals against Lundqvist.

by Felon on Jan 25, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

They don’t have to get four. They only have to beat him twice, and here’s how:

  • Get/maintain a 2-1 lead with two minutes left in the third.
  • Grab the freebie when Lundqvist gets pulled.
  • Promptly let up a Rangers’ goal on some defensive gaffe that produces text walls of blame and much angst/hand-wringing in the GameThread.
  • Grab another freebie when LUndqvist gets pulled again.

Letting up a third goal is optional at this point…. but would score extra bonus points for agita.

by acasser on Jan 25, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Bottom Line

The Devils top players havent been their best players. Zach Parise and Kovalchuk have ad subpar years, its that simple. Parise looks frustrated, he missed a couple big chances last night, he is on pace for less 30 goals this season. Kovalchuck has been a bit better, but in games against top teams he has failed to come up with the big goals. Conversely, the devils complementary players (sykora, clarkson, henrique, zubrus) have had pretty good seasons. Its been a less than 30 goal pace from Parise and an inconsistent Kovalchuck who is still no where near the 40 a year man we signed that has kept the devils back. Espesially against top teams you need those to men to score.

Secondary concern has been inconsistent goaltending. Marty was pulled a few times, Hedberg had one bad game releiving marty. Marty has looked ok the past few games but nevertheless let up 3 goals and very few shots against Boston/Philly and got beat in the shootout against the Sabres. He will need to step it up after the break for the devils to win, espesially if the goal scoring from Parise and Kovy never heats up to the point where the devils know they are getting 3 or 4 goals every night.

A third dissapointment, frankly, has been coaching. Not only is the devils power play still miserable even with the loaded talent, but Pete DeBoer has changed his top two lines at all. He doesnt even have a second option to go to in the playoffs that the players will be familiar with because he has tried nothing new, despite having his top players underperform. Also, Hedberg not receiving a start in what will be close to a month after the all star break sometime is laughable considering his last start was stellar and he has better numbers than marty over the past year in a half. If pete wants his job for next year he may need to attempt to separate kovy and parise and he might need to give hedberg some more starts if marty is inconsistent or just plain average.

by max16s on Jan 25, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

Isn’t this what you were after?

by acasser on Jan 25, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh…. that’s supposed to be a picture pulled from here.

by acasser on Jan 25, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

thats what you do when you dont have a counter argument and you know the other person has been right for months. I was the earliest member to call attention to DeBoer’s mis-managment of the lines and the earliest one to note that marty’s game was inconsistent. Over the past few weeks all the major positions I’ve taken on the team have become mainstream accepted views and abundantly clear on the this board. I was calling attention to them at the end of Oct/Nov.

And then theres you…well you added a graphic…and oh yeah didnt you think Langenbrunner and Arnott could not be traded last year and there was no market for them? and oh thats right, you thought Colin White would never leave the team when i argued he was on trade/buy out block over the summer. Oh lest i forget, save percetange means nothing to in terms of how many starts a goalie earns through their play. cant wait for your next “argument.”

by max16s on Jan 25, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  


May I be the first to announce/congratulate the 2011-12 ILWT Nostradamus Award winner:
max16s.

I hope to join Claude Lemieux in Hell one day for a beer....

by HELLAWAITS on Jan 25, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There should be a way to ignore a particular poster.

by devilsrock on Jan 25, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

No, that’s what one does when one has given up trying to argue with someone who refuses to see reason no matter how many times and ways it’s explained to them.

Misrepresenting those past discussions I expected because, well, you do it every single time someone dares to question your misguided and unsubstantiated opinions. It doesn’t matter that in the past I and others have tried to properly adjust your recollection of those discussions with what people were really saying or that you’ve never once produced a link to the statements you staunchly ascribe to people despite numerous direct requests to do so… you continue to play the martyr.

That, I expected, but this new twist of proclaiming yourself some kind of groundbreaking observer ahead of everyone else is entirely unexpected. And completely laughable.

It must be very lonely up there in your ivory tower. At least you have your drum to keep beating.

by elesias on Jan 25, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

haha an ivory tower anti-intellectual reference. sorry buddy, im guilty of reading books and thinking. try it some time.

as for the rest of your post you offer no new argument or evidence to counter any point ive made about Kovy/Parise, Marty/Heddy, or DeBoer.

And if you want now claim you didnt say Langs and Arnott couldnt and wouldnt be traded because of NTC or that Colin White wouldnt be let go, most ppl who follow the board or want to go back to the archives will discover your lying.

by max16s on Jan 26, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

You come along every time the Devils lose a few games and harp on the same points over and over again, though you and your observations are nowhere to be found when they’re doing well.

People have rebutted your points on multiple occasions, and still you blather on. So no, I won’t make any attempt to do so again since I know from history and personal experience that it won’t stop you from ignorantly beating the same old drums.

most ppl who follow the board or want to go back to the archives will discover your lying.

Ah, so now it’s up to other people to back up your statements for you.

We’ve been over this at least a half a dozen times and you’re either too dense to get it or have a serious comprehension problem. I’m not going to derail every thread you post in even further by going into length, again, at how you’re misrepresenting my (and others) stances in an attempt to elevate yourself.

by elesias on Jan 26, 2012 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

most ppl who follow the board or want to go back to the archives will discover your lying.

I for one have no interest in whatever the hell you’re referring to. So, let me take this moment to suggest a new approach.

Some of your concerns are valid and some have borne fruit. Bully for you.

Others are just opinions: mere subjective claims that, without substantiation (statistical proof of time on ice, assists, errant passes, GAA, etc) will tend to fall upon deaf ears even if they are based upon true, knowable statistical evidence that you didn’t cite.

That doesn’t mean those opinions are not valid. Rather, it means that you haven’t necessarily proven your case to those who expect your opinions/ claims to be backed with something firmer than your intuition/ impression.

It seems others do not much value your contributions. Or, that when they rebut you repeat yourself but ending up “proving” nothing. In the process, both you and your detractors get a bit snippy. Needlessly so.

Just try to take a few extra moments to explain or prove your points with logical arguments and some measure of statistical proof behind them.

I think you’ve made a few important insights: goaltending has been average or inconsistent; the top two lines aren’t stellar; Sykora’s less than stellar; DeBoer is not being creative in mixing up lines; expecting/ demanding more from Kovy and Parise, etc.

But, repeating those opinions over and over will not make them more true. They’re be strong arguments if they contours of the arguments were staked out more carefully and throughly from the get-go.

by Alan Wright on Jan 26, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

100% right. Some people say ( well boston doesnt have any pts leaders) Yea thats right, also they dont have 100 million dollar foward.

by kovy71 on Jan 25, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if the devils were on a 10 game wining streak i still believe the first and second line need a change. petr Sykora a trashbag. makes me wanna puke with his effort. IF it wasnt for 26 he would have 3 goals. This team has been the most inconsistent team all year. Kovy needs a stick up his ass sometimes. Break the lines up already he gets in eveyone way playing rw. All ways going to the left anyways. Just put him on the left and put parise on the right. I would take kovy over him anyday so whats the problem there.

by kovy71 on Jan 25, 2012 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

agreed. the team is being held hostage to sykora’s line preferences. thanks pete!

by max16s on Jan 25, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

both of you guys have no idea what’s going on. maybe you should look at what deboer’s trying to accomplish with the lines.

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by Triumph44 on Jan 25, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Explain then, what Deboer is trying to accomplish.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Jan 25, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

he’s running the elias line as a line to match up against the other team’s top line. then the parise-kovalchuk line gets easier matchups. you people are so obsessed with getting kovalchuk goals – so was atlanta, how did that work out for them?

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by Triumph44 on Jan 25, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

um, no, we are not. actually the primary concern is getting parise going, he is have and even more dismal year than kolvalchuk. and the most primary obsession is getting the devils offense going. in case you havent noticed, neither of their top two players, both of whom are expected to be 35 plus, are having a great year. There should be a second scenario in terms of lines to go to to shake things up. its almost unheard of for an NHL to go 48 games without ever trying a second line comination for his top six offensive players. that pete deboer has done that even while his top players struggle in the only line ups he will allow it utterly irrational.

by max16s on Jan 26, 2012 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

hardly anyone in the nhl is expected to be 35+, and parise is not one of them, nor does parise have to ‘get going’ – he’s getting his shots, they’re not going in.

the devils goal scoring has been fine for the last 30 games besides the last 3, and that’s getting 0 contribution from the defense and the bottom 6 forwards

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by Triumph44 on Jan 26, 2012 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Petr Sykora’s secretly running the team. In fact, I’ve got an unnamed source telling me that he’s going to buy the team and call them the New Jersey Sykoras.

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by John Fischer on Jan 25, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

good one john. it would actually be funny if DeBoer wasnt on record as saying he think sykora plays best with Elias because of the chemistry they have. so theres more than good reason to think that Sykora is a large part of the reason for that line not being broken up. clearly both elias and zubrus have played sucessfully with other line mates as a devil, so they can handle the change. in fact Kovy/Elias/Zubrus was the first line kovy played on as a devil under Lemaire and he a bit more sucess than he is having now.

by max16s on Jan 26, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

no he didn’t. he didn’t score a goal until his 5th or 6th game here and he had 10 goals in 27 games that season.

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by Triumph44 on Jan 26, 2012 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't wait

I’m getting the Post in the morning!

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by Matthew Ventolo on Jan 26, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I facepalmed so hard right there.

by SatanicStickholders on Jan 26, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The only thing you can fault Sykora for is he has more assists then he has goals. Other then that. He’s doing what cold be expected and hasn’t been a liability.

by NJDOhio on Jan 25, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

he’s fine. but keeping him with elias cannot be the reason for not splitting up kovy and parise and giving the team a different look for a few games.

by max16s on Jan 26, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

trade zp

Parise is gone probably to rangers for 8 million. So trading him at deadline for youth and picks is the way to go . A Dman and two high picks helps this team more than 2home playoff games. If they make it that is. Lou has lost ufa’s so he’s familiar with the loss of a star, think p Martin the puck moving Dman we still need. I say start shopping him now . Even his roll as captain is in question as some games he or the team is a no-show.

by pappa zit on Jan 25, 2012 8:47 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

I disagree with trading him. I dont think he is lacking in effort or leadership. I just think he need to be THE guy on the ice when he is out there, when he is good he a demanding player, drawing attention, constantly looking to get the puck if he doesnt all ready have it. he really cant do that with kovalchuk on the ice with him at the same time. note that Chico has been from day one on record as philosophically against putting kovy and parise together for similar reasons.

by max16s on Jan 26, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I saw a completely different game?

I didn’t think it was that bad of a game. OK, the first period was bad; but the second, third, and overtime periods were pretty much dominance by the Devils. Anytime you out-shoot a team 2-to-1 and keep up the pace even after tying up the game is a good night. Unfortunate’s the right word in that the Devils were agonizingly close to scoring multiple goals but were denied by one way or another. Immediately coming to my mind are: Miller’s stretching of the pad on Ponikarovsky, Henrique hitting the post, Josefson’s shot off a rebound that beat Miller but the buffalo D stopped it before going into the net, and Kovalchuk getting robbed on the 2-on-1 in OT. The performance certainly was worth a win, it just didn’t happen – and that happens to all teams (yes, even the elite ones) in sport, as sucky as that reality is.

I understand it’s frustrating that a goaltender who hasn’t had good numbers comes into the Rock and has a good night; but the Devils have dealt that kind of performance to other teams this season. It was bound to happen. If the Devils can perform like this, they’ll get results. As far as scoring goals go: you can’t score if you don’t shoot and shooting above their season rate is a good way going about doing so. Devils just need to keep on shooting.

What I don’t understand is the beef about DeBoer. The team came out poorly, yes. The team came into the second period and started bossing the Sabres around. I would have to think the coach had something to do with it. Moreover, some of the line changes in-game made sense. Henrique actually contributed much more on offense away from Parise and Kovalchuk with 4 shots and a post. Elias was more successful in the later periods. Kovalchuk and Parise did well with Zubrus (I didn’t think Big Z had a good night). The defense collectively cut down on the stupid giveaways that plagued the first period and the first few minutes of the second as time went on. Comparing DeBoer to MacLean based on this game or this season makes absolutely no sense to me. Again: the Devils lost in a shootout because Buffalo scored on a fluke and the Devils couldn’t get a second bounce.

For all the laments about Carter, he only played 11:28. Is that really too much for a guy who was centering the third line for most of the first three months of the season.

Finally, I would also like to point out that special teams were good for the Devils tonight. Yes, both the PP and the PK were effective and they helped the Devils out.

But then, maybe I saw a completely different game last night?

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by John Fischer on Jan 25, 2012 8:50 PM EST reply actions  

It’s obvious to everyone here that the Devils out played the Sabres, the problem is the Sabres played awful too, and the Devils basically sunk down to their level.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Jan 25, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you outplay a team and sink down to their level?

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by John Fischer on Jan 26, 2012 7:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Pretty easy to do, if the team is garbage, you go down to their level and still outshoot them, the Devils were pretty bad against the Sabres, besides some parts in the third and all of overtime.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Jan 26, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t see a lot of “playing down to their level.” If anything, the Sabres picked up their game a LOT to hang with the Devs for the whole game. For at least 35-40 minutes of that game, the Sabres were going out of their minds to deal with the Devils control of the game. The difference was a Miller, a post and some great defensive plays to prevent a couple sure-thing goals. I’m not going to claim the Devs played playoff hockey here, but they certainly didn’t sink down to the bottom of the barrel and coast through it expecting to win.

I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.

by Murdoc on Jan 26, 2012 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Miller had a good night, you are right on that. what is frustrating and disturbing for the devils offensively is that not just against the sabres but also against the flyers and bruins (both games that they had a lot of offensive chances in) they were basically one and done. a lot of skill, but not a lot of effectivness in being in positions for rebounds. when the rebounds have been there, no devil has been there. clarkson said as much a few days ago.

by max16s on Jan 26, 2012 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Why is it disturbing that Miller had a good night?

Also, two of the four great chances I named off the top of my head were off rebounds or loose pucks in front. The one goal the Devils scored started with a loose puck in front. The Buffalo game wasn’t anything like the Philly game; there were Devils driving to the net and getting some success.

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by John Fischer on Jan 26, 2012 7:39 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

If parise could shoot, first line would be okay.

by kovy71 on Jan 25, 2012 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

parise’s time with the puck (and hence the number of chances he has to shoot) is drastically reduced playing on a line with a player who loves to have the puck and do most of the shooting (kovalchuk). hence, the idea of breaking those two players up, at least for a few games.

by max16s on Jan 26, 2012 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s on pace for the 3rd highest number of shots in his career and is shooting 2.4% less than his career average, yet somehow it’s Kovalchuk’s fault for hogging the puck.

by elesias on Jan 26, 2012 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

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