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Let Kovalchuk Play His Game



Does anyone remember when Kovalchuk first arrived in NJ and when he was with Atlanta how he would never come back on the forecheck and would just hang out in the neutral zone waiting for opportunities to score? I remember back in 2010 saying wow this guy never plays defense. He would just sit between the red line and the oppositions blue line and wait and never skate back. I recall reading articles that said Kovy doesn't trust his teammates, people would call him selfish. Then last season the coaching staff tried to change his style to make him a more well rounded player, and they did. My question is why? This was a guy who was scoring 50 goals per season and is looking like a 25-30 goal scorer at best last year and this year too. David Clarkson has more goals than Kovy for crying out loud! I don't see the harm in reverting Kovy back to his old style. Let Parise and Henrique fall back and let Kovy hang or JUST SPLIT UP KOVALCHUK AND PARISE!!!!!

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 6, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Just put him on LW

The RW experiment has utterly failed.

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by Real Big Devils Fan on Jan 5, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

I largely agree, but how does one realistically do so?

It changes the entire make up of the lines.

by elesias on Jan 5, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

With Zajac out, it’s hard to do, but when he comes back:

Sykora-Elias-Zubrus
Parise-Henrique-Clarkson
Kovalchuk-Zajac-Tedenby (groan)

Something like that, anyway.

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by Triumph44 on Jan 5, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I can’t say I’d ever have guessed you’d slot Clarkson on a line with Parise.

Also, I’ll join in on your groaning…

by elesias on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I’d rather have Palmieri there, but I’m not sure they want to do that.

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by Triumph44 on Jan 5, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing to groan about with the third line, just put them as literally your third line playing against other team’s third lines and defense pairings.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Jan 5, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well and good at home, but not so easy when DeBoer gets the last change and/or gets out-matched.

by elesias on Jan 5, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You’d place the shot-first-ask-questions Clarkson on the same line with Parise? Huh.

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by John Fischer on Jan 5, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Parise is a shot first ask questions later player also, he’s just much better at it than Clarkson.

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by Triumph44 on Jan 5, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Parise does shoot quite a lot, but he has shown the ability to defer on a pass, too. Clarkson, not so much.

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by John Fischer on Jan 5, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

If Parise makes a habbit of setting up Clarkson like he did yesturday. I’d be fine with that.

by NJDOhio on Jan 5, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to say, I wouldn’t mind seeing Clarkson and Parise together. Parise loves to shoot, so Clarkson could clean up and pop rebounds in, and Parise is also a good passer. Clarkson is a puck hog. It’s not like the Devils are scoring 4-5 goals per game where there’s no reason to try it…

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by DownGoesAvery on Jan 7, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say “utterly failed.”

He’s on pace for 70-75 points this year, and that line has played well in certain games. That said, I do believe that he should be moved back to LW.

If it were up to me, I would simply just switch Zubrus and Kovalchuk in the current set up.

by dasru on Jan 5, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it's more of a product of the team's play than Kovy's play

The Devils play a different style of game and employ a different set of players than in Atlanta, so I think it’s tough to compare. With that said I think the Devil’s need to change things up with the players they have to help maximize everyone’s talents (including Kovy). I think Elias should center Kovy because he is our best possession center and is really what Kovy needs to prosper once again. My lines would look something like:

Kovy-Elias-Zubrus
Parise-Henrique-Clarkson
Tedenby-Zajac-Sykora

When Jacob comes back I would like to see Henrique moved to the wing.

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by LaserVortex888 on Jan 5, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

The thing is...

Sykora should, and perhaps you can make an argument that he has to be paired with Elias.

by NJGuy on Jan 5, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

shoot, didn’t mean for strikethrough, just as another though.
so…

Sykora should, (and perhaps you can make an argument that he has to be) paired with Elias.

by NJGuy on Jan 5, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think it benefits the team if you are obliged to keep any two players together, regardless of who they might happen to be. Petr Sykora may play his best hockey skating alongside Patrik Elias, but if there’s a different pair of wingers to stick with old #26 that would lead to more wins I’m all for it.

I recall John doing several WOWY analyses in years past that demonstrated Elias’ ability to lift the play of anyone he skated with. That would lead me to question if there’s genuine Elias/Sykora chemistry there to take advantage of, or if Sykora simply benefits from Elias making everyone around him better.

by acasser on Jan 5, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I have seen from Elias's fine career

is that he always has the ability to make his linemates better around him and I would much rather see Kovy improve than Sykora

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by LaserVortex888 on Jan 6, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Sykora is benefiting from playing with Elias a great player just like anyone would. I don’t think it’s as much chemistry or Elias carrying Sykora. As much as it is a line of very experienced players.

I now dub the Sykora-Elias-Zubrus line the 1k Line…..Think Sykora still needs 25 games(but close enough).

I don’t mind keeping the line together. Only because I think Kovy should be playing with Zajac. When he is healthy.

by NJDOhio on Jan 6, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Making Kovy better vs making Sykora better

hmmmmm

which one do I choose….

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by LaserVortex888 on Jan 6, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Under Lemaire...

Kovalchuk played about 45 games. He scored 22 goals/18 assists with projected out to 40 goals/72 points over the year.

This year he is averaging .88 points per game which again, would be about 72 points.

He makes other lines better simply by the other team having to account for him and shift their defensive coverage.

If the Devils didn’t have the Keystone Cops defensive corp they currently have, Kovy would certainly be impacted in an increase in point production. As Larsson grows and is more productive I think you will see Kovy’s point totals rise.

However, I do agree that a move back to LW would be the right thing to do. In my view the top 3 lines (once JJ is back) should go something like:

Kovalchuk-Zajac-Zubrus
Parise-Elias-Sykora
Henrique-Josefson-Clarkson

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by Tom Stivali on Jan 5, 2012 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

Solid lines.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Jan 5, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

One of TSN’s guys laid out a fair amount of raw data from December 2011. The article is available here, but I just thought I’d mention that you see Parise and Kovalchuk on those lists a fair amount and in positive fashion.

Sure, we’d all like Ilya Kovalchuk’s numbers to resemble the guy we acquired from Atlanta, but the team comes first.

by acasser on Jan 5, 2012 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

December stats
Kovalchuk: 7 G, 9 A, 60 SOG
Parise: 7 G, 10 A, 56 SOG

Led the Devils in scoring and shots that month, and they played together the whole time. I’m just saying.

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by John Fischer on Jan 5, 2012 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

Let’s see if that continues. If it does I’ll eat crow but I rarely get the impression that there’s real chemistry between them. And how much better would Kovy be with Elias as his center? Or for that matter, if PDB asked Kovy to play a tad more defense? You know, instead of just skating toward an opponent and hoping he passes the puck, actually hitting him or trying to get the puck away from him. No disrespect, you are way more knowledgeable than I am, but I’m tired of seeing Kovy not trying harder on defense, and I suspect that Zach privately feels the same way.

by Felon on Jan 5, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s see if that continues. If it does I’ll eat crow but I rarely get the impression that there’s real chemistry between them.

Rarely? 16 and 17 points in 14 games isn’t enough? Averaging over 4 shots per game isn’t enough? If the two were so awful together, then how do we account for what we just saw in December? Do the last two games wipe out those 14?

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by John Fischer on Jan 5, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, they both had good Decembers. My question is, did that happen because they were on a line together, or would they do better if they got split up? I just don’t see them helping each other all that much. Elias should center Kovy, and dammit, Kovy has to defend harder. A 230 pound guy with his speed and hands should be a Selke candidate.

by Felon on Jan 6, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

C’mon many of their points scored where on special teams PP and/or PK (especially for Parise). I don’t have time to find it but as a line in 5 on 5 situations, I would be surprised if the Henrique line numbers were impressive because it’s been way too inconstant.

This line was on fire for 4 or 5 games, they amassed a ton of point during those games, but really, that’s all.

Though, if you want to be credible when you play one of the best LW out of position, it has to work almost every day to prove your decision is the good one. So Pete Deboer is wrong to play Kovalchuk on the right wing.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 5, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

C’mon many of their points scored where on special teams PP and/or PK (especially for Parise). I don’t have time to find it but as a line in 5 on 5 situations, I would be surprised if the Henrique line numbers were impressive because it’s been way too inconstant.

Be prepared to be somewhat surprised if you’re willing to be somewhat honest.

Parise had 1 SHG, 2 SHA, and 1 PPA. So that’s 6 even strength goals and 7 even strength assists. 13 points in 14 game is good.

Kovalchuk had 2 PPGs and 3 PPAs, so that’s 5 even strength goals and 6 even strength assists. 11 points in 14 games isn’t as impressive, but it’s nothing to sneeze at either.

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by John Fischer on Jan 5, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I am honest John I’m neither amazed by their stats nor happy with this line, still not.

It asks a long time to make those researches. I just bring out some of Kovalchuk’s points at evens in december :

12.31.2011 against Pittsburgh Kovy gets a point with Elias on Parise’s empty net goal
12.31.2011 against Pittsburgh Kovy scores on a Penalty Shot
12.23.2011 against Washington Kovy gets an assist with Zajac on Urbom’s goal
12.13.2011 against Florida Kovy gets an assist with Salvador on Elias goal

Already for Kovy it would remain only 7 credible points at evens in 14 games with Parise and/ Henrique potentially on the ice together. 7 points in 14 games is far from enough to make Deboer’s decision logical to dress Kovy with Parise and Henrique, let as a RW.

The last game the Devils scored a goal when the complete Henrique line was on the ice was against Washington 6 games ago (Adam Henrique- Assists : Parise-Taormina)

Let me add that I still think this line has accumulated many points when the team scored 4 to 6 goals/game during a very short period of time. They’ve been really impressive for 4 or 5 games in a row and nothing more.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 6, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

The last game the Devils scored a goal when the complete Henrique line was on the ice was against Washington 6 games ago (Adam Henrique- Assists : Parise-Taormina)

Sorry that’s wrong, Parise scored a goal assisted by Henrique against Buffalo, 4 games ago while Kovy was on the ice too.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 6, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

The last game the Henrique line scored a goal in was actually four games ago: Henrique tipped Mark Fayne’s shot in against Buffalo. The line keeps generating shots so it’s not like they’ve been entirely beaten.

Also: Parise and Kovalchuk were together on the ice for the play that led to the penalty shot, that Elias goal on 12/13, and the empty net goal. Given that the beef is over whether they should be split up, those three points are further reason to keep them together.

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by John Fischer on Jan 6, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Kovy just needed one shift to score a wonderful goal against Florida tonight… With Elias and Sykora.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 6, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is exactly what happened last night, where your two superstars (and one playing his non natural position) played against a top defensive pairing and couldn’t generate a thing. If Kovalchuk was on the left side yesterday either Kovy or Parise would not have had to face Chara.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Jan 5, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

If Kovalchuk was on the left side yesterday either Kovy or Parise would not have had to face Chara.

This is what I would have wanted. That is the point of having two first lines, A and B, so either the defense is thinned out by double shifting to cover both lines, and ultimately get tired quicker, or one of the two superstars will be open with better scoring chances. We should really take advantage of such a proposition of two first lines. If we also keep the Elias line intact, then we have three really good lines.

by NJGuy on Jan 5, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The perfection would even be to have 3 scoring lines.
The only condition to keep your best guys together is that they’ve developed some insane chemistry and productiveness à la Fleischman-Weiss-Versteeg line, otherwise it should be all about scoring depth.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 5, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

The Devils had the last change at home. If DeBoer wanted those two to avoid Chara, then he could have done so at least on faceoffs.

Also, you’re going to use one game to overrule the last month?

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by John Fischer on Jan 5, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

the point is to split the threats, and that this line was made ti be doomed from the beginning

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Jan 6, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

this

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by LaserVortex888 on Jan 6, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

How you can honestly say that when they’ve had several games where they were beating on their match-up and/or were the best performing line for the Devils?

Yeah, they struggled against Chara. That’s one night. Why is that more important than the other games when they did succeed?

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by John Fischer on Jan 6, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Because we must throw out the baby with the bathwater! We must!!!!!

by Zelepukin on Jan 6, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Because to me, when you put these two players together, they better at least get good chances consistently every game, its not all about scoring but about how they should be dominating the other team, they don’t do that at all.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Jan 6, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you !

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jan 6, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

But they’ve each averaged over 4 shots per game in December. They both lead the Devils in shots on net both in gross and by rate.

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by John Fischer on Jan 7, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Lots of the shots for Kovy are on the powerplay, and Parise has always been one of the top players in the league in getting shots on goal. The problem is their corsi isn’t +10 every game, and they aren’t scoring every game.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Jan 7, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Those are very realistic expectations.

by elesias on Jan 7, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it? Pretty sure that most games Crosby and Malkin play together they are a +10 in Corsi.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Jan 8, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Show me their +10 Corsi and scoring every game when they play together and I’ll consider changing my stance.

by elesias on Jan 8, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is their corsi isn’t +10 every game, and they aren’t scoring every game.

Parise and Kovalchuk aren’t going to hit either of those marks (+10 in Corsi every game? What?) separate or together.

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by John Fischer on Jan 7, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  


Товарищ Овечкин говорит: не ненавидьте игрока …, ненавидят игру!
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I hope to join Claude Lemieux in Hell one day for a beer....

by HELLAWAITS on Jan 5, 2012 9:15 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Dont forget about JJ...

This may be a bit off topic, but I think a lot of these problems will fix themselves with a healthier Zajac (he’s not quite 100% yet) and Josefson back in the lineup.

Josefson’s ability as a hockey player seems to go very undervalued by our fan base. There is a reason we drafted him as high as we did. The kid gets the game, plain and simple. He plays a smart two-way game with a fantastic pair of hands. He may not be a perennial 20-30 goal scorer, but for those of you who don’t watch him very closely, I think he has the talent to develop the same way Zajac did in his first few years; defense-first mindset with steadily improving playmaking ability. I would not be surprised at all to see him amass 40+ assists in a season within the next 3 years. With that said…

Josefson coming back could solve the Kovalchuk/Parise problem. At the beginning of the year, DeBoer (rightfully) had Josefson centering Kovalchuk and then Parise and Zajac together. Until Josefson got hurt, he and Kovalchuk began to slowly create chemistry together. I know it was a small sample, but if you watched the two of them with the mindset of them growing together and meshing their abilities, they improved each and every game. Unfortunately the injury halted that development, but you could see the confidence growing with Josefson. They had the same type of playing relationship Parise and Zajac had early on, with Zajac being pass first and Parise being the trigger man. Josefson, though he is not the same type of player, has the same playing mindset of Zajac of defense first and pass-first in the offensive zone to play with the trigger happy Kovalchuk. Much the way Zajac started to bring out the best in Kovalchuk at the end of last year, I think Josefson can do the same as his new center, perhaps even more so than Zajac was able to.

My line combinations, with Zajac and Josefson fully healthy, would be (in no order):

Parise – Zajac – Henrique
Sykora – Elias – Zubrus
Kovy – Josefson – Clarkson

Parise and Zajac’s chemistry is well-known to us and is something very special. There are players that play well together and then there are players that know each other so well that they seem to share thoughts without communicating. Keeping them apart will not only hurt both as players, but could eventually push Parise out the door. He loves to play with Zajac and I think simply pairing them back together will bring the best out in Parise as well as reason enough to stay in New Jersey. Also, Henrique’s two-way ability, offensive creativity and his chemistry with Parise could put this line over the edge.

Ive said it before, but at least for this season, Elias needs to stay with Sykora. Sykora would be a 4th liner at best without Elias and I think playing with and old friend makes Elias happy. I agree that he may be able to bring more out of more talented players like Kovy and Parise, but with Elias and Sykora together, the team has much needed scoring depth as he is able to make a seemingly ineffective player that can only shoot the puck into an effective scorer who is on pace for 20+ goals. Also, Zubrus, though not as offensively gifted as he used to be, is a tough two-way player that can win possession and go into the dirty areas effectively. This is a veteran line that has the ability to add to the scoresheet and play effective defense every single night.

I have already stated why I believe JJ and Kovy need to play together, but just like Zubrus does with the Elias line, Clarkson adds grit and goes into the dirty areas effectively. This line boasts size (Kovy and Clarkie), scoring ability (all 3), playmaking ability (Josefson and Kovy) and is not inept defensively (JJ makes up for the others’ deficiencies)

I feel that DeBoer’s initial instinct to play JJ with Kovy and Zajac with Parise was the right decision, but only time will tell if they can develop they way I truly believe they can. With three solid lines that can all score goals, if the Devils are healthy, they can certainly make a deep playoff run this year and be a true force for years to come.

by terphockey21 on Jan 6, 2012 2:46 AM EST reply actions  

If you want to keep the old man line together

Then I really like your lines and wouldn’t change a thing.

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by LaserVortex888 on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

This is one of the most interesting posts I’ve read here. But for starters I think Elias should center for Kovy due to his veteran experience. And unless you think Sykora will be sticking around for a few years, get Tedenby down to Albany where he can play regularly and prep to take Sykora’s place on a scoring line. You can’t watch him and not drool over the potential. He just has to learn.

by Felon on Jan 6, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the real problem is where he developed his game

In ATL he could do whatever he wanted and still sometimes think he can do that here. Kovy has bad team skills, and is too one dimensional. I still wish Lemaire was coach so he could put kovy in his place. It’s possible Kovy doesn’t respect PDB.

by Mr. Boom on Jan 6, 2012 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

I do agree with your first statement, but

If you have watched him closely he has greatly improved on the defensive side of the puck. He may be nowhere near Parise, but he has definitely improved.

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by LaserVortex888 on Jan 6, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I seriously dont see how anyone could use the old statements to compare Kovy anymore. If he were in fact a selfish player unable or unwilling to learn then i doubt you would have ever seen him sign in NJ. I dont think anyone can say with a straight face that Lou would have brought him on board. Because Kovy knew full well the style of team we are. Not to mention he repeatedly spoke so highly of Lemaire who has been known as a defensive stalwart.

by KingHellfire on Jan 13, 2012 1:06 AM EST reply actions  

Kovy is a winner and when he raises Lord Stanley’s Cup all the haters shall be silenced. He put it best last year when he said he would trade all his goals to be in the playoffs. I think it was just about Kovy adjusting and finding his niche in New Jersey i really believe he has almost completely found it.

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