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It's about time to add a replay official


Being an avid Devils fan and watching all but a hand full of games every year, attending those I can, I, like most Devils fans find myself in a world of frustration with the way officials call the games. Sometimes it seems that the hockey gods are frowning on our team with the number of bad calls or reviewed goals that go against us. Missed penalties that in some cases send your best player to the hospital. Allowed goals that are tipped in above a players head, nevermind the crossbar, and players diving to draw penalties. I am sure that we are not alone, because the nature of officiating is far too antiquated for the current form of the sport of hockey.

The game of hockey has changed many times in it's history. The league has made rule changes that heavily affect play, equipment advances to new higher levels every season, and players are built more like gladiators today than the players of old (not deminishing the players of old here, but players 30 years ago spent far less time in the gym and had far less performance enhancing options). The game is faster, the puck moves faster, and the players skate faster. When this first started to happen, and rules were changed in the 90's, the league had to bite the bullet and hire a bunch of officials in order to add a second referee to the mix. Prior to 99 I think (someone correct me if I'm wrong) there were only 3 officials on ice, two linesman, and a Ref. Now we have four. Why? Because the game pace was quickening and three guys could not keep up. There were too many bad calls and too many missed calls, so they added a Ref.

Following that same logic, I think we have come to another point in hockey history where the officials are once again being outpaced by the game. It is time for the league to consider some advances in the way it officiates games. I am not suggesting we remove any officials so the officials union can chill out on this one. What I propose is very simple and in fact already being used league wide by Toronto.

My proposal: take one of the on-ice refs and put him in the box with a high def monitor, or add another official to be the video ref. The same monitor the guys in Toronto have. Leave 3 or 4 officials on ice. Maybe this ref can not make on-ice calls, he can only make determinations of the call that are made on ice. Or maybe he can make on ice calls, but those are limited to a set of rules determined by the league. So no more going to Toronto for questionable goals and other calls they can make, and do so well (sarcasm). This new official will have the same authority as a ref. Aside from that I have not put enough thought into how the whole system would work or how it would be affected, but it's not like the league has not made sweeping changes in the past, which did have major affects on the game. And again, I say it's time to get into high gear with the officiating, just like the game has gone into high gear.

For those that think this would make the games take longer, I say NO. This ref is there watching things in real time, and he has to make his determinations in real time, and just like the other refs, he can make those decisions in the blink of an eye. If it takes longer than 10 seconds to look at something, then it does not get looked at. Its that simple, but I think most things can be dealt with instantly. I think the flow of the game would not be affected if this video ref was limited to only being a go to guy to make determinations, other than there may be more penalties, which I would not support. So, if a ref is not sure of the call he just made, he wanders over to the box and the video ref gives him thumbs up or down in less than 10 seconds. I see no reason why not, but I ask people to enlighten me otherwise.

So how do you all feel about this idea? Is it about time the officiating joined the rest of the sport in the 21st Century, or is it just too much of a technical and logistical nightmare? Would the sport benefit from it or will it slow the whole thing down too much? Let me know by taking the poll below.

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Is it time for the league to consider real time video officiating?
Let's go already, it's 2012. (YES)
21 votes
I like things like I like my antiques, old (NO)
16 votes
Let's test it out first at an allstar game or a Winter Classic (Maybe)
9 votes

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Aside from that I have not put enough thought into how the whole system would work or how it would be affected

Well that’s obvious, because how is this any different than it just going to Toronto for video replay?

by Zelepukin on Feb 10, 2012 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

That takes time that when added up will make the games take an hour longer and slow the pace as well. My suggestion is to have the ref handle the calls at the arena and limit the time they can take to do it. Thanks tho Capt. obvious.

Head shots are for the weak, a real man hits the body.

by Biggs Johnson on Feb 11, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Theoretically, you could have the replay official review during play and maybe during a whistle call down and say “hey, such-and-such play should be reviewed” or “you put the wrong player in the box”. I was also thinking of something else, but I forgot :(

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by red army line on Feb 14, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

They used to have video review in the building and now they go to Toronto with it.

First, a note off the top: the subject of video review has to be clear about what kinds of plays are reviewable. For instance: All goals or only controversial/ high-sticking ones? All penalties or only suspect ones? Or only delay of game penalties w/r/t whether it touched glass? On-ice officials are probably best at giving out penalties, and video review is probably best at determining if a goal has occurred.

Personally, I’d like to see is a little more disclosure about how the calls are made. The videos I’ve seen on NHL.com indicate that it’s some old, white-haired McCanuck doing the review on his own at the NHL war room.

I’d much rather see a requirement that 2 of 3 people review the call and agree on the ruling; they make their rulings through private ballot (technologically, so they are independent and cannot be domineered over by their peers); and then their individual rulings are published at the end of the calendar year. That would eliminate any suspicion that the NHL “has it in for” such-and-such team (as fans are wont to suspect). If officials were held to account for their rulings AND their rulings showed an overwhelming statistical favoritism toward certain teams, their rulings would become suspect and they would cycle out of the position.

The NHL could accomplish this by hiring a crew of 12-15 part-time staffers and train them in video review, the rules, etc. Toronto has enough hockey fans to satisfy the demand for the position while ensuring some measure of neutrality. It could even be an internship level position for young potential NHL management or officials.

A crew of three ringside judges in boxing come to stand (or fall) based upon their impartiality and reputation. So too would the video judges. That said: I doubt the “2 of 3” video review procedure I’ve suggested is a viable concept. The NHL would probably – without giving it honest consideration – view it as too expensive and slow.

Any changes with regard to video reviews has to happen in tandem with a general review of NHL officiating. I’m not sure how to start that process.

by Alan Wright on Feb 10, 2012 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

Video review in other North American professional sports (NBA, MLB, NFL) is heavily restricted. It cannot be used on anything resembling a judgment call, but only on something that can be objectively determined from the video tape. Examples: 2-point shot or 3-point shot (NBA), fair ball or foul ball (MLB), complete pass or incomplete pass (NFL). There’s already review of goals in the NHL. About the only objective calls I could see being added are offsides and pucks going out of play…. and the camera angles on both aren’t particularly wonderful in some arenas.

The NHL could accomplish this by hiring a crew of 12-15 part-time staffers and train them in video review, the rules, etc. Toronto has enough hockey fans to satisfy the demand for the position while ensuring some measure of neutrality.

You already have a similar set-up in place, although I don’t think there’s quite as many people who rotate through on a nightly basis. The NHL Network did an in-depth piece on the War Room recently, covering what they do and how they work. It’s actually pretty cool.

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About the only thing I’d really like to change about the review process is for the referees to explain the outcome better. If you watch an NFL game, the announcement contains two distinct parts. The first is the result of the review: “The ruling on the field is confirmed” (replay upholds the call as-is), “The ruling on the field is overturned” (replay finds the wrong call was made), “The ruling on the field stands” (replay is not conclusive). Then there’s the second part, where the head referee explains why the call is what it is in the event that replay was conclusive one way or the other.

The NHL doesn’t consistenly do a very good job of that second part — all you often get is “after review, the call on the ice stands / good goal”. I think if the officials always explained why the call was what it was, there’d be a lot less in the way of conspiracy theories and restless fans. Tell me that the War Room couldn’t make a positive call on just how high the stick was. Tell me that the War Room says it’s a kicking motion because his skate was moving towards the net before the puck made contact with the blade.

You’re not going to get a secret ballot and a majority rules — not only is that silly, but there’s already some degree of collaboration and consensus in the War Room before they relay a call back to the on-ice official. You’re also not going to get a completely unbiased view of the call, because every War Room story I’ve ever seen talks about how the personnel sit there and watch every game as it is happening. The personnel usually know what the game situation is and what the call on the ice was (and if they’re not sure on the latter, that’s the first thing they ask the on-ice official).

I like the system as it is now. I just think the NHL could communicate it better and relieve some of the pent-up tension that way.

I also don’t see much of a way to deal with most of the aggravation we have with officials on a nightly basis. So many calls have a level of judgment in them, from whether a particular referee thinks an infraction should be called a penalty to whether it should be a Minor or a Major, to how the game as a whole has been called and where an individual (non)call fits into that tapestry.

by acasser on Feb 10, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Well said.

I completely agree.
I believe that they have a good system in place, but they could explain their reasoning a bit further as they do in the NFL.
Other than that, there isn’t much that they could improve on. The situation of a high stick is difficult to determine due to the camera angles. There isn’t much that could be done if it isn’t conclusive.

by NJGuy on Feb 10, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize I brought this up because the high stick all sparked my motivation engine, but the reality is those are not the calls I am really concerned with. I have always been a believer that if you have to rely on the call of an official to win or keep you in a game, you have bigger problems to address first, I don’t think that was the case against St. Louis. I think in general, and you notice it much more when you are at the game, but in general the whole officiating system needs a performance enhancing injection, like the sport itself has gotten the last two decades. There just has to be a way to get the officiating up to speed and maybe the answers do not lie with video.

I wonder if anyone has any other ideas that do not involve video to help the officials keep the hardest game to officiate a little fairer.

And I do agree with everyone that the NHL needs to be less like a dictatorship and more like a democracy with explaining its rules and the calls it makes. I guess i am just tired of the old, “Well, we could not see it so the call goes against the Devils.” Sometimes I wonder how much who the team is and which side of the coin they are on has an effect on the decisions. Why, if they can’t see the play, do they decide to let that play, (the one they admit they have no idea what really happened), be a deciding factor in the game. I say if the call in question is a deciding factor in the game, and they can not make a real determination, they can not let that play become the deciding factor, they should not allow the goal. That would seem fairer than what really happened with St. Louis. And that game was the kind of game that a single goal really does make a difference and both teams put up a good effort and played well. A true robbing of the outcome. And it’s not the first time this season.

Head shots are for the weak, a real man hits the body.

by Biggs Johnson on Feb 11, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if anyone has any other ideas that do not involve video to help the officials keep the hardest game to officiate a little fairer.

Hasn’t there been a lot of turnover among the League’s referees and linesmen in recent years? If you combine a new wave of officials with all the rules changes and “points of emphasis” that have come down the pipe in recent years, you’re bound to have some substantial differences from years past. Combine new sets of eyes with less experience and a different set of rules and you’re bound to have people pining for “the good old days”.

Adding more officials is not the answer. I strongly believe that the more people you have “taking care” of something, the less likely it is to be done right — there’s a human tendency to “pass the buck” and assume one of the other people on the project will do it right. (Off topic / True story) I saw a study once where an insurance company had twenty-four separate people look over every policy before they sent it out to the consumer, and nearly 98% of the policies still went out with a material error of some sort — the first people to look it over assumed any errors they missed would be caught later, while the people near the end of the line assumed umpteen previous sets of eyes couldn’t possibly have missed anything.

The short version: I don’t think another official is the answer, whether on the ice or up in the press box or even in Toronto. We simply have to hope that the League unearths/trains good officials and that they stick around for a while.

I say if the call in question is a deciding factor in the game, and they can not make a real determination, they can not let that play become the deciding factor, they should not allow the goal.

This is not an improvement over “the call on the ice stands”. I prefer to have the guy on the spot making the call and having it upheld unless there’s clear evidence he botched the call.

Waving off a goal unless there’s conclusive evidence is was scored legally isn’t any different (or better) than swallowing a whistle in the late stages of a game “as not to impact the outcome based on one penalty call”.

All things being equal, I think the League would prefer a bump in scoring and demonstrates a tendency to uphold “good goal” calls unless there’s compelling evidence to the contrary. They’ve been reasonably consistent in that pursuit since they went to video review in Toronto…. we just have a jaded view of things here in Jersey because we’ve had some prominent calls go against us recently.

And that game was the kind of game that a single goal really does make a difference and both teams put up a good effort and played well. A true robbing of the outcome.

This is homer-ism at its finest. Also, the Devils weren’t “robbed”. They were doomed by a combination of factors — their inability to bury chances in the third period, some lackluster goaltending, and a great relief job by Brian Elliott. The officiating had very little to do with the final result.

by acasser on Feb 11, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Good points all around. I have always been a proponent of the human element being a part of the whole game experience. It certainly makes for good post game banter. I was also a little ignorant of the fact that there are a lot of new eyes on the ice in recent years, which explains so much. The best explanation for my recent frustration with officiating is most likely this fact alone, but all the rule changes and vague rules and definitions does not help any.

And I agree with you also that more eyes means more mess or less scrutiny, either way not a good outcome.

I guess I just wish there was an easy answer like adding video, but reality is we are at a tough point in hockey history, where I need to chill out and let time sort out some of the shortcomings of late. With time, ref’s will get better and more experienced and they will also adapt to the newer rules and pace. I will start to pay more attention to who is calling the games from now on, because I notice a huge differences in the game flow and pace depending on who is calling them, not just who we are playing. I would guess the more experienced refs tend to save the calls for the more serious offenses, thus keeping the game pace faster and more exciting, with less petty calls. And as far as goals go, the war room will never relinquish that power.

Head shots are for the weak, a real man hits the body.

by Biggs Johnson on Feb 11, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if anyone has any other ideas that do not involve video to help the officials keep the hardest game to officiate a little fairer.

I gave Stan an idea. Which it seems like he liked.

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by FrankG929 on Feb 11, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Great…Fischler is on twitter. A 79 year old that is more tech savy than I am. Fantastic.

I hope to join Claude Lemieux in Hell one day for a beer....

by HELLAWAITS on Feb 13, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we’re more or less in the same territory here. More or less. The objective calls vs. judgment calls is a key distinction.

I haven’t seen the NHL Network in-depth piece on the War Room. I’ve seen a few short pieces, but they mostly feature Mike Murphy (Senior VP of hockey operations) … not a committee or open-discussion structure of review. It’s possible and indeed likely that they only showed Murphy making the calls to simplify it for TV purposes. (There were other people in the room at the time but they weren’t interviewed). Also remember that Murphy was involved in some controversy in the playoffs a few years ago. That and the Colin Campbell “controversy” with his

A little more disclosure and explanation is called for. The NFL is the most well-known model and it seems to satisfy most people. The networks nowadays consult a former official (Mike Pereira) for interpretive purposes for the fans.

As to the secret ballot: you might be right that it’s unrealistic or silly. I myself think it’s an odd suggestion because the video review is going to be a collaborative process. Still, I’d like to keep the decisions-makers somewhat insulated from peer pressure and ensure that, over the long-term, they’re not predisposed to making calls that favor the Maple Leafs (b/c they’re in Toronto), the Rangers (b/c its good for the NHL’s finances), or just their own personal bias. I don’t know how to put those procedural safeguards into place and I don’t trust the NHL to do it.

Take for example, the Parise non-goal (kick) which would have tied it against the Islanders. That’s the kind of goal I’d like to make sure there’s a panel of 3 making the decision, so each vote is of equal weight. That way if Joe Schmoe #1 and Joe Schmoe #2 disagree with Mike Murphy, he can’t use his seniority to overrule them.

by Alan Wright on Feb 12, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks. This was exactly the kind of constructive conversation I was hoping to spark.

I agree that making a sweeping change like adding an extra official at the arena and then the semantics of what his actual function would be would require a review & upheaval of the entire process of officiating. What I would like to see the NHL do is hire someone to do a study on it and what affects it would have monetarily, logistically, and the affect on the game itself. This would be the first step in the process to determine weather or not it is even worth the time and effort to overhaul it.

So I do agree that doing something like this would mean turning hockey officiating on its head. But I do also think it is worth a look.

Hockey is not like any other sport with respect to pace and the difficulties in officiating it.

Head shots are for the weak, a real man hits the body.

by Biggs Johnson on Feb 11, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

What the nhl really needs to do is just go more in depth for each rule. Example- a distinct kicking motion. No one really knows what this is, so it just ends up being a judgment call, reulting in some counting some not.

by zachattack997 on Feb 10, 2012 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

Regarding missed penaltys, the only fairly fair way I can think of is to, assume the refs will miss no more than 1 call on each team per game. Each team can use their challenge once to review a play in Toronto or wherever. If there is clearly a missed penalty the team losses their challenge but the correct penalty is assessed. If it is not deemed clear enough the team is given a minor for delay of game and loses their challenge.

It is frustrating when penaltys are missed by the refs, but I don’t think the flow of the game should be compromised because of it.

Devils fan from the UK

by CD1212 on Feb 11, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

Not a bad idea. I like the idea of a delay of game call to deter coaches from using the review to slow the game down or sway it for their team as well.

I agree, flow of game is more important than nit picking.

Head shots are for the weak, a real man hits the body.

by Biggs Johnson on Feb 11, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

There isn’t a single sport that allows replay challenges of any sort on anything that’s a judgment call. And let’s face it — most penalties are judgment calls. For example:

Was it enough of a hook to justify two minutes? Did the receiving player embellish the situation and deserve two minutes for diving? Was it simply an all-out dive where either nothing should be called or just the receiving player should get two minutes? (Keep in mind you never see just the dive called in today’s NHL.) How does it compare to similar plays earlier in the game, and how were those adjudicated by the officials? How does it compare to the game as a whole? Did the hook have any material impact on the play? What kind of reaction came from the crowd? (It’s a terrible thing to say, in days gone by referees might change how they officiated based on an angry crowd that might wish for blood vengeance.)

I fear for what would happen to the quality of officiating if the referees suddenly have to look over their shoulder on every potential call because Toronto might be asked to substitute their judgment for that of the guy on the spot. I worry about the possibility of the guy in Toronto having a bias of some sort that there’s no accounting for and no adjusting for within the flow of the game. Finally, I’d be concerned about how fair the “third referee” could be — he’ll have the benefit of time to make a decision and camera angles that aren’t available to the guy wearing the orange armband.

In the NBA, there’s no place for replay to overrule a judgment call — they review whether or not a shot was taken before the (shot) clock hit zero, whether it was a two-point shot or a three-point shot based on the shooter’s feet, they can reset the game clock, and who last touched a ball before it went out-of-bounds. It’s all objective.

In MLB, they can review whether it was a fair ball or a foul ball, a home run or something else (foul or off the wall). They’ve discussed expanding replay to out/safe at bases and whether or not a fly ball was caught or trapped. Once again, it’s all objective.

In the NFL, there’s still no room to use replay for judgment calls and to change a penalty situation with two exceptions. I’ve seen coaches allowed to challenge whether the opposing team was guilty of “too many men on the field” — but that’s a black-and-white issue, because either you have eleven men on the field or you don’t. I’ve also seen coaches get pass interference thrown out because a pass was tipped prior to the defender making contact with the wide receiver downfield (once a pass is tipped, there can be no pass interference). Otherwise, you see the normal “concrete” calls challenged — fumble or no fumble, catch or incomplete, and the spot of the ball when a play was dead.

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None of the other sports allow for a judgment call by a referee to be overturned by way of video evidence. Why should the NHL start down that slippery slope?

by acasser on Feb 12, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

There still are objective penalty calls, though, right? High sticking, DOG puck over glass, to an extent too many men (like, when Pittsburgh played with 7 players for 20 seconds), DOG trapezoid, covering puck with hand, playing the puck with a broken stick or pushing a broken stick towards the puck, and in addition to that you have hand pass, blatant offsides, etc. I’m not advocating for all of these to be subject to review, but I do think there are plenty of objective calls to be made.

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by red army line on Feb 14, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks to everyone for all the input, I know this issue is a dead horse being beaten again, but an issue that is, from time to time, fun to bring up and throw around ideas for solutions. As well as educating some of us on things like young inexperienced refs in flux. And it is always more heated right after we get burned by Toronto, yet again.

Not for nothing, but having the goal judge back on the job may help with the high sticking calls. The angle that guy used to have would have come in handy, assuming he did not blink.

Head shots are for the weak, a real man hits the body.

by Biggs Johnson on Feb 11, 2012 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

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