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Devils in the Details- 2/15/12: ZidlickyMania? Edition

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According to TSN's Darren Dreger, Minnesota Wild Defenseman Marek Zidlicky has agreed to waive his NTC to be traded to New Jersey. I seriously hope that it doesn't happen [@darrendreger]

Zidlicky Rumor has been confirmed by Wild beat writer Michael Russo [Star Tribune]

Recaps of last night's game [Fire and Ice][NJ.com][Devils][Devils Army Blog][RWTD]

The Devils have been successful on the road lately [NJ.com]

Ilya Kovalchuk was surprised by Zach Parise's decision to try and help him finish off the hat trick [NJ.com]

Travis Zajac will start skating again at the end of the week [NJ.com]

Lou Lamoriello: If the Devils can get better at the deadline, they will make a move [Fire and Ice]

Stephane Veilleux had a long road back to the NHL [Fire and Ice]

Is Ilya Kovalchuk a Hart Trophy Candidate? [PHT]

Who should the Atlantic Division teams go after on the trade Market? [Hockey Prospectus]

The Red Wings have set a new record for home wins [Puck Daddy]

Maybe SI should re-think this poll of easiest NHLers to intimidate [Backhand Shelf]

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Please Lou, not Zidlicky !

"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Feb 15, 2012 8:07 AM EST reply actions  

Zid.

Really?

Okay, only if he comes for Foster + a 7th rounder.

A brilliant move in light of the Nash to NYR rumors.

I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.

by Murdoc on Feb 15, 2012 8:18 AM EST reply actions  

Nevermind

Upon further review.

Zids would not be much of an improvement.
1. Thanks Wysh for this. An illustrated guide to the Minnesota Wild’s misery when Marek Zidlicky plays
2. He’s got another year on his contract at $4M. We got other people to pay rather than a “powerplay specialist” next year.
3. He’s a powerplay specialist that managed his first point in 3 months on the PP last night!

When this happens, it better be for a six-pack and a bucket of KFC, and nothing more.

I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.

by Murdoc on Feb 15, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Good link

Funny/ scary link there, but one comment notes that the drop-off came after Bouchard was injured. And possibly after Minnesota started to tank midseason? As you know, Zidlicky isn’t the cause of their distress.

Anyway: KFC and a bag of pucks? Well maybe if Minnesota carries half the salary (allowable underthe CBA?) and it’s something minimal, like a draft pick or an AHL prospect.

by Alan Wright on Feb 15, 2012 8:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Damn my firewalls!

Salary share isn’t allowed.
And I think the Devs need to send away a player to acquire a player these days, so someone is leaving. The guys at the Wild’s SBNAtion site are talking about an expected return of at least a prospect and a second, even though he’s been terribad this year and has an additional $4M year. Seems steep to me.

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by Murdoc on Feb 15, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

It does seem steep if cap hit and players/ prospects are in the mix.

But, it could solve another two problems: the absence of a sizeable D veteran with Tallinder out (another 4? weeks with what is a serious medical risk – and not a mere hockey injury) and the current absence of Larrsson.

If Zidlicky comes in, maybe Foster gets shuffled to the 4th line and PP to address his defensive lapses?

by Alan Wright on Feb 15, 2012 9:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

all depends on what they give up

Hate to see one of our promising young d men go

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by Devilssection21fan on Feb 15, 2012 8:25 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Hate to see one of our promising young d men go

This would be the icing on the cake of a very bad trade. Sure that would be better than Foster but Zidlicky this season would not be a tremendous improvement over a terrible defenseman, especially for that massive cap-hit.

Wait and see anyway.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Feb 15, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, I could part with Taormina and not be too upset about it

by JoeyV on Feb 15, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

nonsense, taormina has been playing pretty good. i would like to see him stick around.

by JerseyKid. on Feb 15, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Taormina is solid.

We shouldn’t trade for that scrub. We already got one with foster. I just thank everyday for Bryce and a train lol

by Nitrophoenix69 on Feb 15, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

To be completed within a couple hours?

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by joshd12 on Feb 15, 2012 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

Lemaire/ Zidlicky

Just a side note: I wonder what Lemaire had to say about him. They must have overlapped a little bit around 07 or 08.

by Alan Wright on Feb 15, 2012 8:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

good point, maybe JL knows something we don’t know.

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by Murdoc on Feb 15, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Now Dreger says this trade might not happen after all…

According to TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger, a source says the Wild may not trade him until the summer.

by HockeyWeasel on Feb 15, 2012 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

i think this might just be a ploy by fletcher to try to drive up the price a little bit for a guy who has obvious problems with the team and has asked for a trade.
they threaten not to trade him at all, price goes up. i think it’s BS, zid’s been scratched, if they want to try for the playoffs still it’s not like they lose anything in trading him.
it’d be like ottawa saying “we’re not going to trade heatley” (exaggeration but you get the point)

by dptox86 on Feb 15, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yikes

I don’t see Zidlicky working in NJ at all. The guy had serious issues playing under a system that didn’t let him do what he wanted to do under his new coach in Minny. When I think of great system teams, I think of the Devils.

Who knows, it could work… I just don’t see it working out.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 15, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

this.

"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Feb 15, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I took a further look at the Ledger article where the interview with Zids was printed. It’s not so much working within the system, but that the system that he was asked to play within wasn’t one he’d ever played before. He’s paid to produce offensively, and he was being asked to play with the 3rd and 4th lines or being stapled to the blueline. Sounds unreasonable to me to expect an offensive player to ddo well in either of those situations.

He did, however, still seem to really love hockey and want to contribute to the success of a team. He just sorta wishes that his current team would use him the way he’s played for his entire life. He’s right, and at 35, it’s a little late to ask a guy to change his game. You move him to a place where he can succeed.

And if you watch the Devs this year, they are an aggressive forechecking team that encourages their D to get involved with the offense. He’s got a rep as a powerplay QB and a puck mover, both of which the Devs could use. The closest players thay have with those skills on the blueline are Taormina and Foster, and neither is particularly good at playing D (although I think Tao is getting better/luckier positionally). And the PROVEN offensive upside of Zids is better than that of Foster or Taormina.

If the Devs plan on letting him play the game the way he knows how, and get him some defensive coverage, and if he really still is emotionally invested in playing, competing and winning, he could be a useful piece for the team. He’s going to have to memorize the playbook on the stuff you’re allowed to say to the media, and shave a little more often, but it could work. I just hate the idea paying him next year if he doesn’t wok out.

I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.

by Murdoc on Feb 15, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Big IFs for $4 million next season. I’m not in favor, but if he comes and if he helps the team thru multiple rounds of the playoffs, I’ll say I was wrong.

by NJHockey8 on Feb 15, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

no kidding.
The more I check on the guy, the more I go from “Hell no!” to “Meh.”
Gotta trust Lou right? A change of walls worked great for Poni, he doesn’t even look like the same player. Maybe the same thing happens with Zids.

I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.

by Murdoc on Feb 15, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

.

"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"

The Royal Half - "Today, Ilya Kovalchuk had 3 goals while yesterday Dustin Penner ate 3 pancakes. Well played, Dean Lombardi."

by Elektrostal_Kid on Feb 15, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

What’s funny is that I just read a Puck Daddy article that Zidlicky is “drinking Lou’s kool-aid.” not sure if everyone knows that expression, but it usually means to buy into or accept someone’s empty promises or lies.

Honestly the article was several pot-shots at the Devils finances and not much about Zidlicky.

Anyway, that’s a funny pic. The Kool Aid dude is carrying a jug of kool aid. It could keep going ad infinitum.

by Alan Wright on Feb 15, 2012 10:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, it’d just be creepy if he poured you a delicious, refreshing beverage out of his head.

I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.

by Murdoc on Feb 15, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyway, that’s a funny pic. The Kool Aid dude is carrying a jug of kool aid. It could keep going ad infinitum.

drinkibalism is funny ? you are so weird

"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"

The Royal Half - "Today, Ilya Kovalchuk had 3 goals while yesterday Dustin Penner ate 3 pancakes. Well played, Dean Lombardi."

by Elektrostal_Kid on Feb 15, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha, well. Yeah it’s postmodern and recursive. And creepy as Murdoc said.

by Alan Wright on Feb 15, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s paid to produce offensively, and he was being asked to play with the 3rd and 4th lines or being stapled to the blueline

From the article I think you read too:

Zidlicky, who turns 35 Friday, said of Yeo’s system: "It wasn’t me. It wasn’t my style. I tried to explain it to him couple times, but he wants something different. I don’t think I can change something when you are like 34 years old."

I think he’s paid to play hockey, even if he is 34 it is his job as a guy who is getting paid a pretty healthy salary to adjust to the coach and do what he can. All signs point to the fact that he really did try and make it work and work under Yeo, maybe I am being too critical or assuming too much… hard to be enthused about a guy when you see a veteran like Zidlicky being a healthy scratch on a team that needs offense. If you want Zidlicky just to have him on the third pair and use him as a powerplay weapon, I think he might be a reasonable option… if the asking price is right. But if you are looking for a guy to improve your defense and its depth (which I think is the major issue with your club, especially with your injuries) then I think you ought to look elsewhere.

No doubt that Zidlicky has great offensive upside, I think he could help out the powerplay plenty, but he is not a guy you want out there against quality opponents. He was never that guy for the Wild.

The Rangers tried something similar to this last year with Bryan McCabe to help out our powerplay and because we felt like McCabe was an improvement over some of other options (Matt Gilroy). McCabe turned out to be a third pair defenseman that just wasn’t what he used to be and struggled to do much of anything for us or our powerplay. Granted, Zidlicky and McCabe are totally different players but in essence they are veteran d-men with big offensive upside… just don’t expect too much out of him if you land him.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 15, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

In fairness, it was a new coach and he was a veteran by then. Could just be an incompatible relationship/ system, etc.

On top of which: he’s been a healthy scratch for several games. Or me that’s a signal that neither coach or player are communicating properly, but it also forces Zidlicky’s hand.

Hopefully he can bottle up his comments to the media. Maybe his countrymen, Elias and Sykora will set him straight.

Btw, huge win for your guys in Boston yesterday. I flipped to that when the Devs-Sabres intermissions and saw the highlights. You know the East will be watching that game. So will Weber, Suter, etc.

by Alan Wright on Feb 15, 2012 10:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree. Makes no sense at all.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 15, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha ha ha.

If Minnesota fans somehow think they’re going to get a 2nd round pick and a prospect for a 35 year old underachieving defensemen with a 4 million dollar cap hit, they’re a little insane.

If this does get done, I could see a similar deal to the recent Ponikarovsky trade, that would be a better package for Minnesota. A 4th round pick and a mediocre D prospect, or a 3rd round pick and a poor prospect would be more than enough.

by DiffuseTheBob on Feb 15, 2012 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

the Zidlicky trade is cooling down

"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Feb 15, 2012 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

sounds like Lou made a “WTF dude, quite your peeps down.” phonecall.

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by Murdoc on Feb 15, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

*quiet

spelling fail

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by Murdoc on Feb 15, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

or maybe he was trolling the MSM.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 15, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds about right. The quickest way to end negotiations with Lou is to make them public. There wasn’t a whisper of Kovalchuk to the Devils until the moment it was announced by the organization. For this to be rumored about all morning is a sign to me that Minnesota can’t conduct business properly (not surprising anyways) and that Zidlicky isn’t going to be a Devil.

That said, if he did end up in NJ, I suspect it would be to replace Foster and then get bought out or traded at the end of the season because we don’t really need him at all once we have Tallinder and Larsson back.

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by Alamoth on Feb 15, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

There wasn’t a whisper of Kovalchuk to the Devils until the moment it was announced by the organization.

Not true. There was a rumor a week or two before. Then a few days later, we heard reports that Atlanta management were watching Albany games. It wasn’t like this, but there was a decent amount of smoke.

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by Triumph44 on Feb 15, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I did not know that at all. Then again, I was not on this website then.
That is very interesting though. Who did they take out of Albany?

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by joshd12 on Feb 15, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was actually Lowell at the time (the last year before the move to Albany). The Thrashers got Oduya and Bergfors, both from the NHL, and Patrice Cormier who was still in juniors. If they were scouting Lowell, I guess they didn’t see anything they liked…

by otamamij on Feb 15, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Kovalchuk to the devils wasn’t completely out of nowhere. But granted I and I’m sure most people assumed their name showing up a few weeks before the eventual trade was merely “well most everyone is probably making an offer cause you just have to”

by Zelepukin on Feb 15, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Do the Devils really need another PP specialist at this point, particularly with how that unit has performed in the last month or so?

Do the Devils really need another albatross contract?

And if Zidlicky “on the verge” of being traded, why was he in the lineup last night? I’m sure Minnesota saw what happened to Tuomo Ruutu in Carolina and how his trade value was destroyed.

….

All this chatter coming out of Minnesota and Darren Dreger makes me think someone is trying to create a market where one does not exist. The only way a Zidlicky acquisition makes sense to me is if either the Devils are shipping out one of their current-NHL defensemen (not named Taormina) in the very near future, or if Henrik Tallinder and Adam Larsson are both more seriously hurt than we thought and won’t be back anytime soon. Face it, Zidlicky isn’t a substantial upgrade over anything we have here now.

by acasser on Feb 15, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

over taormina, i really think he is. besides, it’s not about upgrading, it’s about our having so many stay-at-home-terrible-at-passing guys that still aren’t doing great skating the puck out of the zone. this would be more of a lateral movement, switching pieces that aren’t quite fitting right now but are probably worth the same.

by dptox86 on Feb 15, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s a couple of thoughts on the Zidlicky trade- what if the Wild are so intent on giving up Zidlicky that they’re willing to compensate the Devils with something of importance? Think about the Francois Beauchemin trade last year- the Devils could send a player who’s expendable to Minnesota for Zidlicky (Salary dump, like Lupul was) and a good prospect (not saying it’s going to be Granlund, but probably Phillips or Zucker, kind of like Jake Gardiner).

My second thought- the CBA expires, meaning that there could be amnesty buyouts. Lou might be rolling the dice with Zidlicky, as some sort of mock rental- acquires him and buys him out w/ the Amnesty buyouts as soon as the new CBA is negotiated. Although this seems like a less likely scenario, as the Devils still have to pay Zidlicky a small amount of $$.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 15, 2012 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

Minnesota is probably motivated to get something out of a guy that has almost zero roster value for them. The Devils could end up getting something else in a potential deal that would end up being the “real” valuable asset in the trade, hard to speculate on that though. Minnesota might be looking for roster players though, they aren’t completely dead in the water for the playoff hunt…

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by Dig Deep on Feb 15, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

The Devils have 50 contracts right now. Which means that someone will have to get moved. I’m guessing a prospect who’s going nowhere/AHLer going nowhere (e.g. Kory Nagy, Matt Corrente, Harry Young) would be going back as well.

As for roster players, I’m not too sure who goes the other way. Pretty much every roster player on the Devils (save Janssen and Boulton Useless and Uselesser) are pretty important to the team right now. I’m guessing Foster because he plays a similar role to Zidlicky and has a significant salary ($1.8 M). Or maybe Ryan Carter, seeing as Steve Bernier more or less derker deerrb took his job

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 15, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t real;ly see how Steve Bernier took Carter’s job. While I do think Bernier will eventually find his way to the 4th line when and if Zajac get’s healthy. Carter’s always been a 4th libner and when his hand heals will probably line up at Center or LW alongside Bernier.

As for Foster? I don’t see him going the other way if Zidlicky is to come. I see him settling in solely as a PP specialist on the second unit instead of Fayne. But I also don’t hate the notion of Marek being a Devil as much as most of you. He’s an upgrade over Foster and fills a need. Will he pan out in filling that need if he does get’s traded? I guess that falls on if you think this season is really who he is now as a player, or merely a clash of coach, player and ideology. Given that he’s put up over 0.5 pts a game for his career (with this crappy season included) I think it’s mainly the latter and he needs a change of scenery and a team that needs him to do exactly what he wants to and is able to do.

by Zelepukin on Feb 15, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

When everyone’s healthy, there’s just no way that the Devils could dress both Zidlicky and Foster. Which is why this trade really doesn’t make much sense unless Foster is going the other way. That’s not even addressing the salary due to Zidlicky, his age, and the Devils’ financial state. I don’t think it will happen and I am curious why both Russo and Dreger reported this, and why his agent decided to confirm the fact that Zidlicky waived his NTC to go to New Jersey.

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by Triumph44 on Feb 15, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

When everyone’s healthy, there’s just no way that the Devils could dress either Zidlicky or Foster

This seems more correct to me. Assuming we don’t trade one of the six D currently on the roster (Fayne, Greene, Taormina, Volchenkov, Foster, Salvador) then it’s an easy move to replace Taormina and Foster with a healthy Larsson and Tallinder.

Outside of that one game that Foster had two goals on the 5-on-3, he’s been fairly ineffective on the point on the top power-play unit. Mark Fayne has been equally ineffective on the second unit, but he’s a home-grown player that has already exceeded everyone’s expectations and could continue to do so with a little more opportunity. Also, Greene, Tallinder and Larsson can play the point on the second unit.

Fully Healthy:
Tallinder – Fayne
Greene – Larsson
Salvador – Volchenkov

If we want to carry a seventh D-Man it should be Taormina at this point. Foster really has no place on the team unless he magically becomes more productive.

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by Alamoth on Feb 15, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think Foster has been ineffective. Since adding Foster, the Devils power play has gotten much better both in terms of goals and shots/60. I don’t think, despite all of Foster’s shortcomings, that that’s an accident – Foster can get pucks to the net. Larsson is a horrible PP point man and Fayne isn’t much better.

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by Triumph44 on Feb 15, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Did they also get better at giving up shorties with Foster? Because it sure seems like it…

by otamamij on Feb 15, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t tell if you mean that the Devils gave up more short handed goals with Foster in the lineup, or if they’ve gotten better at defense in short handed situations. I doubt very much that they have given up more short handed goals with Foster than without.

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by Triumph44 on Feb 15, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I did mean did they give up more shorties with him. I think I remember 2 that were a direct result of him turning the puck over on the PP (although Marty might have bailed him out on one)

by otamamij on Feb 15, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, they didn’t. Foster was on ice for 5 short handed goals and the Devils have allowed 13.

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by Triumph44 on Feb 15, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That means Foster was on ice for every SHG against since he came to the Devils on 12/13. I guess that shows they aren’t as bad at giving them up as they were before he got here, but I don’t really think he’s the reason for that.

by otamamij on Feb 15, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s not true. Taormina and Fayne were on for at least one.

I don’t think he’s the reason for that either, but Larsson is an awful pointman at this stage of his career.

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by Triumph44 on Feb 15, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I went through their games and counted 5. Maybe I missed one… Unusual for them to have two D-men out there on a PP unless it was about to end.

by otamamij on Feb 15, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Zidlicky wants to go to the Devils (maybe to play with fellow Czechs Elias and Sykora?), so he publicly waived his clause to try to start some shit. Wild GM Fletcher just told our beat writer that he did not ask Zid to waive his no trade clause.

I agree with you – Zid’s not likely to be a Devil b/c of your finances and his contract. I do think that Chicago or another team might trade for him though.

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by cyroose on Feb 15, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve read that Zids is “friends” with Elias and Sykora. Who knows. They’re about the same age and yes, all Czech. I think you’re right. It could be that Zid favors NJD over other squads so they’re trying to grease the wheels with these Twitterings etc.

by Alan Wright on Feb 15, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Unicorn deal?

Devils trade Foster for Zidlicky and a first or second from Minn (to compensate the Devils for having to pay next seasons salary). Then we use this years 1st to pay off Bettman while still having a high pick.

Yes, I know this is a unicorn/wishful thinking trade (but its nice to dream sometimes).

by NJHockey8 on Feb 15, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope so. It would be more realistic if it was like Zidlicky+ Minn’s 1st (Brendan Gaunce? Brendan Gaunce.) for Foster and one of Boucher/Urbom/Scarlett/Hoeffel/Burlon

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 15, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The Wild are trying to rebuild…….I think they’re hoping to receive some picks in return for Zids rather than shipping more away…

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by cyroose on Feb 15, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, we won’t get any sort of picks for the next 10 years… #NHLanticircumventionscapegoat

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Feb 15, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, that might be the case if they were trying to trade someone like Koivu not Zidlicky. They not only want to move him, they NEED to. So they’re not really in any position of power to demand assets on a 35 year old d-man who everyone knows wants out, the team doesn’t want and is slated to make 4 million next year.

Zidlicky is exactly the sort of player in the sort of situation were he to get moved he’d be coming back with something to sweeten the pot for taking him.

by Zelepukin on Feb 15, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Any thoughts on what the implications of this deal

in terms of what the Devils medical staff thinks of Tallinder’s situation?

by Mykey24 on Feb 15, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Tallinder was “skating” 2 days ago, that’s a good news

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Feb 15, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

wow.

Just got to check these links for the first time today and caught up on all the swirling rumors. Sounds like now the deal may not be happening I guess, and I would be fine if this deal fell apart.

The only way this makes sense to me at all is if Foster is shipped to Min. I think Foster turned out to be even more of a defensive liability than I could have imagined, even knowing already he was questionable at best defensively.

The thing is , the Devils PP has been good lately. Is it because of Foster? No. But, could it regress with Zidlicky? Who knows. Probably not. Zidlicky is a right handed shot, so he could step right in. He’s not as big as Foster, and not sure if he shoots as hard , but he can almost certainly hit the net more often.

There is no room on this defense for both Foster and Zidlicky. This is too much liability for the Devils defense to overcome. As Alamoth pointed out, there is hardly room for either one in a fully healthy defense… but they will certainly dress a PP specialist whether in the top 6 or as a 7th.

If any decent prospects are involved, this deal seems to make little / no sense for the Devils. I would hate to see Urbom or Tedenby go the other way. Or the player once known as Vladimir Zharkov.

by JTdevs on Feb 15, 2012 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Red Herring

I’ll believe the the rumor once TG reports it.

by Bobby V on Feb 15, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

He was one of the first to report the rumor.

by Zelepukin on Feb 15, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant to say, I’ll believe the trade when TG actually reports the trade.

by Bobby V on Feb 15, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I could see Lou pulling a Tedenby, Foster for a 2nd, and Zidlicky. I think that would be fair. Teddy needs a new start. Makes sense to send him out of the conference/

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by joshd12 on Feb 15, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

That’s actually a significant overpayment. Zidlicky’s trade value is lower than dirt.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 15, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, that I wouldn’t have guessed. Didn’t he used to be good? I haven’t watched many Minn Wild games.

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by joshd12 on Feb 15, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s got 13 points and clearly wants out. The Devils could more or less get him for Boulton straight up.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 15, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Kurtis Foster “used to be good”, too…. and look at the return Anaheim received for him.

Dumping Zidlicky is as much a financial move as it is a hockey move. He doesn’t fit into Minnesota’s plans, and I imagine the Wild would be just as happy not to pay him $4 million next season.

by acasser on Feb 15, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

So if this trade did happen, who would be the odd one out come playoff time?

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by joshd12 on Feb 15, 2012 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

okay? I meant dman. I see your point though, pretty open ended question.

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by joshd12 on Feb 15, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

lulz

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 15, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

“If we can get better we will”

I doubt Lou will be giving up much of value to acquire Zidlicky. I’m not sure his trade value has plummeted to the level that the Wild would be throwing in sweeteners to find a taker, but I do think they’ll take the rough equivalent of a bag of pucks to be rid of an unhappy and generously-paid player. With Foster doing a serviceable job running the PP and the D-corps hanging in there with Larsson and Tallinder on the sidelines, Lou doesn’t NEED to make any move here.

Zidlicky is a legit 40-pt right-shooting offensive Dman, which is a prized commodity in this league. His advanced stats suggest he hasn’t been as bad as the rest of his team, he doesn’t get matched up against the opposition’s best nor against their worst, and his best work came under Jacques Lemaire’s time in Minnesota. Foster, on the other hand, has always been given protected minutes.

I don’t LOVE the idea of bringing Zidlicky here but I don’t see any reason other than the money he’s owed next year to not trade for him in if the price is really low. He’s an upgrade from Foster and fits a need. I wouldn’t get too excited over it but I don’t think there’s much risk here. He’s no Visnovsky but hey, he’ll come cheap.

by dr(d)evil on Feb 15, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

Eh, there are certainly worse pickups than Zid, and if it were only for the rest of the season, I’d be happy to take the risk in hopes he regains his form. But the extra year makes me worry. Come playoff time (knock on wood), I just don’t see him in the lineup unless he’s so good that he has to be (a slim chance at best). A fully healthy blue line, right now, looks like;

Salv-Volchenkov
Larsson-Greene
Tallinder-Fayne
7th: Foster or Tao

Which, in all honesty, isn’t that bad. Two two-way pairs and a shutdown pair, plus the extra pp specialist/spotter for the other pairs. If Foster is going the other way, the deal might be a little better, but I really prefer to just stay as is now.

by skly27 on Feb 15, 2012 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

My comment below was meant to be a reply to you.

by Alan Wright on Feb 15, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

"A fully healthy blue line"

That’s a good summary but your comment brings up the elephant in the operating room:

What’s really going on with Tallinder and Larrson? I think they’re skating/ practicing, but you can never tell with these things. It’s only February 15th, a full two weeks before the trade deadline and 1.75 months (25 games) before the season ends. Too early to tell…

But if their recovery is slowed, a competent veteran defenseman like Zidlicky (or Streit, as suggested in a FanPost) could fill the gap. I’m really not capable of evaluating if Zidlicky is competent enough to fill the gap, but if the price is right it presents an opportunity.

by Alan Wright on Feb 15, 2012 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

Larsson is most likely being held out as a precaution. I’m sure he could play if needed, but the team would rather he be completely healthy than risk losing him for longer, a la Henrique’s situation.

Similarly, Tallinder is, by the initial schedule, a good 2 weeks from returning anyway. To see him skating now is a good sign.

Our defense has looked fine now, if a little disorganized from time to time. I wouldn’t break the bank for a possibly competent stopgap,

by skly27 on Feb 15, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

man, i would’ve really liked this guy a few years ago. but unless he can put up 40 points again, taking on his contract is not a great idea. i’ve always liked him, i think the wild’s play without him is better because he’s probably just demotivated about his playing time and stuff like that.
aroundhis nashville years and right up before he went to the wild, this would’ve been a great idea. now, probably not so much, but if his price is really low, i dunno, take a crack at it.

by dptox86 on Feb 15, 2012 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

Zidlicky

No NO NO no and NO!

That $4 million next season is a killer. Don’t take the chance on if the new CBA will have an amnesty clause. We have guys like Parise, Fayne, Taormina that must be signed. Poni is also someone I want back next season (Bernier too maybe?). Salvador (as well as he’s been without having the puck) is gone.

Get a real rental. But if they are looking for a D under contract next season, get Visnovsky ($5.6m hit but only $3m in salary).

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by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 15, 2012 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

problem is all of these guys are old. it’s so hard to know what upside, if any, they all have. visnovsky’s cap hit alone would be tougher to take i think even if his actual salary is less.

i dunno, i’ve followed zidlicky for years cause i always liked him, was great in nashville. i think right now we could really use the puck movement. palmieri, taormina, mayyyybe fayne, pick, i’ll take zid.

by dptox86 on Feb 15, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The Devils don’t need a amnesty clause next year to buy out Zidlicky, in fact that’d be the worst thing for them. The Devils aren’t going to be a cap team – they could buy Zidlicky out if they wanted. And maybe there’s no season and it doesn’t matter.

Visnovsky’s price would be way higher. I’m not in favor of a Zidlicky move, but it’s better than getting Visonvsky.

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by Triumph44 on Feb 15, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

agree. vis still has a lot of value so zid might be a poor man’s visnovsky, i bet more teams would give more for vis than zid. lower price, hopefully some offensive output.

by dptox86 on Feb 15, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I only mentioned Vis becuase he’s under contract next season. I don’t the Devils should go after either but if they had to (or want to) get someone under contract next season, I’d prefer Visonvsky. I think the difference in price would be worth it. They save $1m in salary and suffer $1.6 in cap hit.

I agree the Devils won’t be a cap team (unless they go after a top notch goalie), but his buyout would cost New Jersey $1.333m next season and the year after. Remember though, the Devils still have White and Hunter’s buyout hit next season (total of $1.667m). $3m next season is a lot. It would be better to get a D who is under contract next year that can actually play and contribute.

As I said, they should just get a real rental who is a UFA on July 1.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 15, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

There isn’t a rental out there. There are 6 teams selling and none of them have a player like Zidlicky.

Visnovsky will cost a ton because Anaheim is largely a floor team and they will want the savings in the Visnovsky contract plus they can just move it at next year’s deadline if they aren’t going to the playoffs. You have to make it worth their while, and I don’t think the Devils have the kind of prospect or player available that will enable them to make such a deal.

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by Triumph44 on Feb 15, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

We have guys like Parise, Fayne, Taormina that must be signed. Poni is also someone I want back next season (Bernier too maybe?). Salvador (as well as he’s been without having the puck) is gone.

Parise might get a raise, but it won’t be more than $1.5M a year and frankly I don’t think he’s played like a $7M player this year.

Fayne is an RFA, which gives him little negotiating leverage. He gets signed for $2M.

Taormina, if re-signed, is a borderline NHLer and therefore earns the league minimum.

Ponikarovsky’s scoring will probably slow down but he’s likely to earn himself a raise – I say $2.5M.

Salvador (personally I think he kills our offense and our breakout even if he has played well defensively of late) and Foster will be off the books, Brodeur (if he doesn’t retire) will be taking a pay cut, and a million dollars in buyout penalties will expire as well. The cap is not an issue.

by dr(d)evil on Feb 16, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Waist of time

Looks like Zidlicky and his agent just were hoping to get him out of Dodge.

Devils were never really going to get him. Nor would have made sense to take on the salary for an aging and declining player.

by Bobby V on Feb 15, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

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