2012 Trade Deadline: The Devils Future Draft Picks
The NHL Trade Deadline is ten days away. It becomes a frantic time for fans, media, and teams in the upcoming days. Fans and media try to get whatever news the quickest. Teams look to improve their run into the playoffs or into the playoff picture and teams trying to dump players looking to rebuild with young players and draft picks.
The last couple of years have been different for the Devils. Two years ago saw "rental" Ilya Kovalchuk come to New Jersey. Last season had speculation that the Devils may go fire sale after their horrendous season, yet only parted with Jason Arnott (and Jamie Langenbrunner earlier in the season).
This year however, the Devils are in a buyers spot. Hovering around the 6 spot in the Eastern Conference, Lou may be looking to once again get an addition to help the team in the coming 40-50 days left of the regular season and the playoffs. He's been busy this season already, acquiring defenseman Kurtis Foster and winger Alexei Ponikarovsky. There's already been rumors involving the Devils (wait..rumors involving the Devils?!?) in which Marek Zidlicky wanted to come to New Jersey. He's been scratched and awaits his destiny, as does Pavel Kubina.
If the Devils were to make a move, they have plenty of draft picks available is a team is willing to go that route. I thought I would take the time to inform fans what picks the Devils actually have. They have made a lot of moves in the past year that it becomes confusing at times. After the jump are the future draft picks of the Devils.
2012 NHL Draft:
| Round | Team | Notes |
| 1st | NJ | |
| 2nd | NJ | |
| 2nd | WSH | Arnott Trade |
| 3rd | NJ | |
| 4th | TOR | Steckel Trade |
| 5th | NJ | |
| 5th | CGY | Leblond Trade |
| 6th | NJ |
The two New Jersey picks - their 4th round and 7th rounder - went to Carolina for Ponikarovsky and Anaheim for Foster respectively. Overall, that additional 2nd rounder is huge bait for the trade deadline. If the Devils need to sweeten a deal, they could still throw a 4th or 5th out there. The Devils are in good position from a draft pick standpoint to acquire someone in the next ten days.
The Devils may have another pick for this year's draft that may come in handy come the deadline. Remember that blockbuster trade where the Devils sent Tony Romano to the Islanders in exchange for Ben Walter in summer of 2009? No? Well shame on you. From the Devils end, they were getting Walter and "future considerations." Per the Islanders news release way back then, it's a conditional 2012 draft pick. Who knows that the condition was or if it still holds water, but keep in mind Romano still plays in the Islanders organization. The Devils may have a secret pick coming, and thus further bait.
The Devils have neither given up nor obtained draft picks for 2013. Also remember the Devils still have to surrender a 1st round pick becuase of the Koval-saga. They have to choose between this years, next years, or 2014's.
Consider this a reference post for possible trades. If the Devils do make a trade, you now know which possible picks the Devils will give up.
What do you think about the Devils draft pick bank? Is there enough to make a good enough trade to actually benefit the team? They have already traded for a specialty defenseman and a depth forward this season - will they go further? What do the Devils need? Who do you want? (You can play Lou but keep it reasonable...No Brodeur for Rick Nash...uh oh e3). Thanks for reading.
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If the Devils do well this year, i think this should be the year they give up the Kovy 1st round pick. Theres no reason to sit on that, especially I haven’t heard much coming out of this years draft class.
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by Rory B. Bellows on Feb 17, 2012 1:05 PM EST reply actions
I would anticipate the Devs being better next year then this year so I would likely keep the pick.
Who knows, though? If they make the Conference finals maybe or better you give it up. Otherwise, it figures to be the 23rd pick or better and I would keep it.
It also depends on the pipeline, if you anticipate a deep draft this year or next. That’s something I can’t answer, though.
First of all, we should be rooting against the Caps so that 2nd round pick is as high as possible. Right now it would be about the 42nd overall pick which would be as good as could be expected. I’d hate to see it be 50th or higher.
Depending on where Zajac, Tallinder and Larsson are health wise I could see standing pat.
I remember Ben Walter
I remember Ben Walter because he made the roster in NHL video game that year. Which was weird
Haha – that’s right!
I also remember Vasyunov being ranked an 80 that season..helped my 3rd line.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 17, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt we get the conditional Romano pick, I would have to think it’s conditional upon him actually playing in the NHL.
I don’t think they’ll give up the circumvention pick this year but they probably should.
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There is also the issue of who actually gets the conditional pick. I remember looking at this a few months ago….the Isles press release said they got the pick. http://www.islesblogger.com/2009/06/30/islanders-trade-with-devils
At most this would 6 round pick contingent on NHL play
You are right, they should give up the pick this year, especially if they keep both 2nd round picks.
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Ugh?
The Media guide says (both 10-11 and 11-12 copies):
“Obtained Ben Walter and future considerations from NY Islanders for rights to Tony Romano”
It seems the Devils got the conditional pick. Who the hell knows…
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by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 17, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
This implies that you think this year will be the highest the team will finish during this and the next seasons. Is that the case, or are you just unimpressed with the draft class this year?
A little of both. If Brodeur comes back, we can be virtually certain that the Devils will finish lower next year – it’s a minor miracle that he didn’t completely torpedo the Devils’ season this year, but who knows what he has left next year? Throw in uncertainty with Parise and assorted other regressions to the mean – next year’s a mystery, and the year beyond more so. I wouldn’t want to have to leave it up to that 4th year.
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I don’t think they’ll give up the circumvention pick this year but they probably should.
Why? Just because they have two 2nd rounders to play with? I know you don’t believe these Devils are going to make a deep playoff run. IF they make it to the conference finals I’d consider giving up this 1st rounder, but even making it to the eastern semis they’d be looking at a pick in the 24-25 range and if they lose in the first round they’ll be looking at around #20. This draft class is touted as being pretty deep through the 2nd round so it stands to reason a mid to late 1st round pick this year is more like a mid-1st in other years.
Moreover, the Devils are thin on forward prospects as well as blue chip prospects. Any winning team needs a stream of young talent to step in and supply high-level play at a discount. After next season, the ELCs of Henrique and Josefson will expire. Larsson’s ELC expires the year after. We hope Merrill pans out and is playing in NJ by then, and perhaps Urbom and Gelinas turn into impact players but they’re all defensemen and there are a good number of veterans ahead of them on the depth chart.
The Devils need another blue chip prospect and only this year’s first rounder has a decent chance at making an impact in the NHL in two years. Even if they draft a defenseman, the additional depth will help Lou swap a D prospect for a forward. Bottom line, this season has depleted the farm and the shelves need stocking.
Why? Just because they have two 2nd rounders to play with? I know you don’t believe these Devils are going to make a deep playoff run. IF they make it to the conference finals I’d consider giving up this 1st rounder, but even making it to the eastern semis they’d be looking at a pick in the 24-25 range and if they lose in the first round they’ll be looking at around #20. This draft class is touted as being pretty deep through the 2nd round so it stands to reason a mid to late 1st round pick this year is more like a mid-1st in other years.
This draft class is not being touted as deep. You’ll see when the trade deadline rolls around and the late round 1st round picks start being dealt.
Only the Conference Finalists get re-ranked in the draft – from there it goes to the team with the best record who didn’t make it to the Final Four on down to the worst playoff team. So if the Devils make the Conference semis, it has no impact on where they draft.
Throw in the fact that the Devils have 2 2nd rounders and that if they finish around 22nd it could be their highest finish and yeah I’m giving up this pick.
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well said
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by LaserVortex888 on Feb 17, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
from there it goes to the team with the best record who didn’t make it to the Final Four on down to the worst playoff team.
Not exactly. Of the teams not in the final 4, division winners pick after non-division winners, regardless of record.
Long story short: if the standings stay as they are today and the Devils don’t don’t make the final 4 the pick would be between 16th-20th. It’s extremely unlikely we’d get the 16th pick but may as well see where we end up before making a decision.
Throw in the fact that the Devils have 2 2nd rounders
The 2 second round picks should carry carry zero weight in this equation. Non. Nada. Zilch.
Compare the value of this year’s 1st round pick with next year’s 1st round pick.
They carry plenty of weight. If the Devils didn’t have a 2nd and a 3rd round pick I’d say keep the 1st this year, the system needs some restocking. And obviously they won’t be able to get the same quality of prospect with a 2nd than they will with a 1st, but the fact that yeah, they have other picks this year, means that they’re not as likely to have a draft like 2002, where the Devils missed on every single pick – those kinds of drafts are really difficult on an organization, and the team’s faltering strength through the later part of the 2000s is a result of such drafts.
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The fact that we have 2 second round picks increases the team’s ability to trade up in the first round this year if the situation should arise.
Simple, right? I’m not saying that is the deciding factor but it moves the decision a certain way.
That stuff about the ‘02 draft is a non-sequitor. Let’s imagine this conversation:
LL – Should we give up the pick this year?
T44 – We should give it up this year.
LL – Why?
T44 – Because we had a bad draft in ‘02.
LL – You’re fired.
That is not at all what I am saying, how could you possibly misinterpret what I said that badly? What I’m saying is that empty drafts hurt teams, and the fact that the Devils still have a lot of picks in this draft reduces the possibility of an empty draft.
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I understand what you say perfectly. I just don’t agree.
The choice is between which 1st round to give up, ‘12, ,’13 or ’14.
The choice which is the least valuable asset. That is the one you give up.
The fact that we have Washington’s 2nd round pick does nothing to decrease the value of our ’12 1st round pick. Your argument that it does is a non-sequitor.
It’s too early to decide which draft pick to give up. That decision has to e made after the playoffs are over and draft starts. It’s possible the Devils could end up with the 29th or 30th pick (I’m a pessimist about everything but sports), or have an opportunity to land someone great at the draft by trading away the pick.
Anybody know exactly when the deadline is to give up the pick? I mean can they decide 1 minute before the pick, 3 days, or what?
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Go Jets
I remember that trade. I was at a racquet club reading the Star Ledger when I saw the info about the trade. I would hope that we get the pick, it would be great.
I think that we should give up the first rounder this year. As long as we place highly in the rankings. We have two second rounders this year, so it isn’t as if we don’t have anything to work with. Who knows, we might actually trade both of those picks to trade up if Lou really sees somebody he wants, but I don’t think that is how hockey drafts work in particular, but still, you don’t know.
I say, keep this year's pick
And probably next year’s too, depending on the outcome of next season and the depth of next year’s draft. Considering that the Devils are low on prospects, it would be smart to load up on them now instead of later. If we were willing to give up a goalie prospect, and maybe Tedenby for the sake of improving their chances at a good playoff run, it would be smart. Our pick could potentially go into getting Malcom Subban, PK’s younger brother, who leads the list of North American goalies, and shows great potential.
I’ve gotten some complaints about obtaining a goalie prospect before, but Malcom looks more promising than most of our prospects thus far, and could potentially be a future NHL netminder. He looks calm, fast, and smart, so why not?
This team has plenty of goaltenders in the pipeline. One of them may or may not be the answer, but we’ll have a judgment on that particular question long before young Mr. Subban is likely to be anything resembling a consideration.
I’d also worry about Lou drafting a goalie in the 1st round. Brodeur turned out very well…. but he’s had more 1st-round goaltenders show up on this list. (Self-promotion alert: I wrote the FanPost in question.)
Something else to keep in mind regarding potential (and young goaltenders). To quote Bill Parcells: Potential means you haven’t done it yet. Jacob Josefson has potential. Mattias Tedenby has potential. Neither one has really achieved anything at the NHL level…. and they’re a heck of a lot closer than someone you’ll draft in June. Adam Larsson is the exception when it comes to the Devils and prospect development — most of our picks don’t make it to the NHL very quickly, if at all.
As for trading the guys you suggest, they aren’t going to bring you much of anything in return. None of the young goalies have played a minute at the NHL level, and none of them are so highly touted that I think another team is likely to part with a significant asset for them. As for Tedenby, his trade value is likely as low as it has been since he came to New Jersey — he certainly hasn’t distinguished himself in a positive fashion with his play this year. As with a goaltending prospect, I doubt a team parts with anything lovely for him (you might get Jeff Carter with a package of Tedenby and something else, but do you really want that contract and attitude).
I’d prefer not to box myself in on the Kovalchuk forfeit pick. I’d prefer to pay up at the first reasonable opportunity and not have it hanging over the franchise…. if you wait two years, you risk giving up a very high pick if the team has another wretched season. Also, it makes it harder to leverage 1st round picks if you want to use them in a trade until you give up said pick (or decide you’re going to do so) because you have to weigh the risk of the forfeit pick and whether or not that particular risk is worth the trade you’re making (in addition to whether or not the trade is worth making for its own sake).
Well said
Goalies are such a crap shoot, I’d rather see if one of the many in the system pans out first (c’mooon Wedgewood).
And yeah, forfeit the pick now, while you know it won’t really be a good one. If they’re in the 20s in a weak draft, how much worse of a pick could they really expect to give up in the following years.
Status quo.
Draft Picks
Don’t trade any draft picks unless you really believe this team can win the cup. I don’t think they are there yet and the system needs to be replenished especially with forwards.
Denterre
Then why did they make trades for rentals i.e Foster and Poni? They are UFA’s come July and both could be gone. A waste of a two picks and two borderline NHLers.
From a business standpoint, they could make a trade, give up some picks, and get into the 2nd round or even further. That’s at least 4 homes game and that’s a lot of money this team could make and needs. A Cup is unlikely now (though though that could change if a trade is made or other factors like injuries).
Lou knows how much the playoffs are important from a fanbase, a business, and a team perspective (he is President, CEO, GM etc etc etc afterall). Losing a couple draft picks could mean the difference of being financially stable. There will always be a draft…money on the other hand…
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by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 17, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Couldn’t agree more with what many have said.
Get rid of the Kovy Penalty pick now while the Devils most likely will finish the season higher in the Draft order compared to last season. The Devils clearly need more bodies in the pipeline, and two 2nd Rounders could be used to either jump up higher in the 1st Round and nab a decent player, or used to stock the AHL with prospects. At the very least, a second 2nd Rounder makes up for foreiting the 1st Round Pick. And that Washington 2nd Round Pick stands a shot at being earlier in the 2nd Round than NJ’s anyway.
There are of course no guarantees in the NHL, and NO ONE knows what’ll happen two years down the road. Heaven for bid the next two seasons are train wrecks… Big Lou would kick himself for hanging onto that penalty and possibly giving up a great 1st Round Draft pick when this years draft crop isn’t too deep to begin with. Only teams in the Top 10 Overall will have a decent player in the 1st Round this year. Of course there are always exceptions in the later rounds, but generally, it is the players in the 1st Round that are more guaranteed to become amazing players that teams build their Franchise around.
As for goalies, I agree that Wedgewood is the goalie of the future in NJ. Clermont and Kinkaid could POSSIBLY be 1-B’s or, more likely, good back-ups like a Clemmensen. But that is still a ways down the road. Would I like Marty to play like he used to 10 years ago and continue breaking records… sure, what Devils fan wouldn’t?! But that is unrealistic. He’s aging, slowing down, and losing his mojo… as much as I hate to admit it. This could and very possibly should be his last year as #1. In the meantime, over the summer, hopefully Brodeur will take a lower-paying salary, and give NJ the chance to land someone young and talented who could hold the fort in the meantime, like a Jonathan Bernier, Pekka Rinne, Anders Lindback, Jonas Gustavsson, Tukka Rask, Sergei Bobrovsky, Henrik Karlsson, or Cory Schneider.
As for what we could give up at the trade Deadline in order to get a good player whether it be a depth forward or offensive D-man, NJ has plenty of defensive prospects and an additional 2nd Rounder if need be. Sure, I don’t want to give up Urbom, Merrill or Burlon. But Taormina, Fayne and Eric Gelinas have been playing decently enough and continue to show good potential to justify being part of a trade. Then there is Tedenby, who has shown glimpses of brilliance along with moments of dread, and could still be a draw for some team looking for a small forward with high offensive potential. And this is probably the last year that NJ could use Corrente’s former 1st Round status as trade bait before ANY NHL team, including NJ gives up on him completely.
One last subject as I bounce around here. I like the IDEA of getting Marek Zidlicky more than actually obtaining him. If NJ was completely healthy on defense, and there’s a good chance for that by the playoffs, the defensemen they’d have on D are: Tallinder, Greene, Salvador, Volchenkov, Larsson, Foster, Fayne, and Taormina. Obviously Taormina goes back down to Albany, that’s a given come playoffs. But one of Foster or Fayne would have to be scratched for Zidlicky to play. While Foster is pretty good offensively (mostly just on the PP), his defense is atrocious. And as for Fayne, he’s not very offensive, but his defensive skill is quite good enough to be a 2nd pair D-man on almost any roster. Zidlicky on the other hand is kind of a mixture of both Foster and Fayne with some added tenacity. He’s offensive like Foster but without the big shot, and his defensive skill isn’t nearly as bad as Foster, but not as good, at least to me, as Fayne’s. Of course, going into the Playoffs, any team would love to have extra D-men to fall back on or dress 7 D-men if needed. To me, if you want to seriously get Zidlicky, give Minnesota Foster in return. Foster is too good for the AHL, but too bad to be kept as a 3rd pair D-man. As a 7th D-man? Sure, I’d take him. But if Foster is gone with a Zidlicky trade, it comes down to Fayne or Zidlicky getting that final spot on D. Me? I say give that spot to Fayne. Yes, yes yes, NJ NEEDS puck-movers on Defense who can jump in with some goals as well as QB the Power Play. But for my money, defense wins games and championships. I’d rather have Greene, Fayne, Salvador, Larsson, Tallinder and Volchenkov as my D-men group. At least that way, all of them play great to good Defense, with Greene, Larsson, and occasionally Fayne throwing in some points. With Zidlicky instead of Fayne, you trade goals against for a few extra points coming from your d-men. Not worth it. Either keep the Defense the way it is, or trade prospects for a depth forward. Screw getting Zidlicky. He’s also older than I’d like to see. I like NJ having a younger, faster team.
by EliasStillRocks on Feb 18, 2012 4:45 PM EST reply actions
What about another NYI NJ Trade
You guys talked about the conditional pick in the Romano trade but what about the Hunter/Rolston deal. There was some talk of another conditional pick.
Never heard anything after the day of the trade, even NHL.com has it as Hunter for Rolston straight up.
Did anyone ever hear of the pick in the trade and what had to happen for it to kick in?
by Team First Devils on Feb 19, 2012 9:41 AM EST reply actions
There were discussions about a 2nd conditional going to NJ but it did not make the final trade.
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