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New Jersey Devils Came Back to Knock Out Montreal Canadiens 5-3

Zach Parise kept going all night long.  It can be a bit tiring.  Or something else that leads one to have their tounge out a bit. Whatever. (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

While there were no fights in tonight's game between the Montreal Canadiens and the New Jersey Devils, the game as a whole seemed like one bout in retrospect.

The visitors, a team that seriously needs some wins to get back into thinking about playoff contention, came into the Rock with a chip on their shoulder. They tried as hard as they could to put the New Jersey Devils into a deep hole, and looked to do just that early on. The Devils even helped out a few times. The visitors threw hard hits, high hits, illegal hits that weren't called, and all other kinds of fouling play. The visitors threw rubber at the net and took advantage of a Devils defensive effort that was similar to what was seen on Tuesday: inconsistent, wavering between solid and pylon-esque. They drew metaphorical blood with two goals within the game's first 10 minutes. It was so bad, Peter DeBoer used his timeout after Montreal's second goal just to get a message through to his players - and they still got outplayed for much of the first period. Montreal drove to the net when they could and found success three times tonight. The Devils offense took a while to get going and only got a goal when Carey Price completely misplayed an otherwise harmless shot from Zach Parise. It made the score look flattering, but it was apparent that the Canadiens were the better team early on. It got worse early in the second period. Montreal went up 3-1 due to a power play miscue resulting in the team's 13th shorthanded goal against this season. Was there an immediate response? Hardly, the Devils certainly weren't playing like a team down a few goals.

The game was heated, it was downright nasty, and given the early advantage, one would have expected Montreal to run away with the game. A shorty after a period of getting beaten on the ice and having a goal denied by the officials (the right call, in retrospect) would lead one to that expectation. It was reasonable to think the Devils were done before the halfway mark of the game. At some point, however, the Devils started fighting back.

They got a power play mid-way through the second that actually wasn't terrible and ineffective and it resulted in a goal against the league's top penalty kill. It not only made the score look more competitive, but the Devils players and the fans started generating a bigger buzz. Martin Brodeur demonstrated that he can still keep a team in the game in spite of their flaws. The Devils, slowly but surely, started to break into Montreal's zone and get rubber on Carey Price. They got enough of an attack to suggest that at 3-2 going into the third period, the game was still up for grabs. The defensive effort was as loose as the referee's idea of discipline tonight; but the game was not out of doubt.

The Devils broke through in the third period. They equalized in the third when Dainius Zubrus tipped an Alexei Ponikarovsky shot past Price. They pushed for a fourth goal and got rewarded late when Ilya Kovalchuk shanked a shot and the puck thankfully sailed right to Parise at the side of the net. Price could do nothing about Parise burying it into the twine to put them up 4-3. The Canadiens were stunned. They pulled Price and the Devils largely controlled play. After missing on a few empty net tries and Montreal icing the puck (seriously), the Devils eventually got a clearance to David Clarkson. The man who deflected Ilya Kovalchuk's shot in on the power play picked up his second of the night on the empty netter. The Canadiens, who played the game with tough and sometimes down-right dirty edge, got their licks on the Devils. They had them dazed. But the Devils recovered, kept at it in the game, and ultimately knocked them out in regulation. The Devils didn't leave the game unscathed - Adam Larsson suffered a bruise to his lower back after a big hit by P.K. Subban - but they can hold their heads up high. They won tonight's battle 5-3.

I have a few more thoughts about tonight's win after the jump. For an opposition perspective, please check out Habs Eyes on the Prize.

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The Stats: The NHL.com Game Summary | The NHL.com Event Summary | The NHL.com Play by Play Log | The NHL.com Shot Summary | The Time on Ice Shift Charts | The Time on Ice Head to Head Ice Time Charts | The Time on Ice Corsi Charts

The Highlight Video: There sure are a lot of highlights in this one from NHL.com. Between the Devils-Rangers and tonight's game, it may be welcomed if the Devils can have a less frantic and dramatic win for a change.

Thank You for Your Patience: SBNation had some technical difficulties during most of the game. So I apologize that the gamethread wasn't available during an eventful game like this one. Everything seems to be good now. Thanks to the technical support staff for getting it fixed and to Travis Hughes for putting up with my complaints about it - which came out of emotions that were admittedly driven by tonight's game. Most importantly, thank you for your patience and continued patronage at In Lou We Trust and other fine SBN sites.

Dangerous: Chris Lee and Ghislain Herbert were your referees for this evening and they were awful. The penalties they whistled were legitimate. Yes, Patrik Elias' hit on Mike Blunden was in the numbers and it deserved a boarding penalty. However, what made me disgusted in their performance was all of the non-calls. Mathieu Darche rams Adam Larsson head first into the glass and there was no call. Larsson eventually got up and kept playing; but that was just a dangerous action and the lack of a call is just further evidence that the NHL isn't really serious about protecting players. Erik Cole became notorious in my eyes tonight. While he rightfully tagged with two minor penalties, but amazingly got nothing for his high hits, elbows, and late hits. The Devils weren't completely clean either: Elias hit on Blunden was bad; and Adam Larsson apparently slewfoot Louis Leblanc. According to this post game post by Tom Gulitti, the league is looking at a some of these incidents tonight for additional discipline. That there has to be additional discipline further shows the lack of control Lee and Herbert had on tonight's game. This is how players get hurt. Yet, the hockey guys running the show will continue to not understand that.

Discipline Aside: I can understand if Elias gets suspended for his hit. If the league is consistent, they'll do the same to Darche, who hit Larsson in a similar fashion tonight but didn't get called for it. The chances of that happening, however, are slim. Almost like a unicorn.

The F is for Fantastic: References to Mike Boone aside, I'm the most glad that Martin Brodeur got a win out of what happened this evening. Brodeur was beaten three times and he had no shot on any of them. Let's describe them.

The first goal was on a fluke. Rene Bourque gets denied by Brodeur at the right post and he just flings a puck up at David Desharnais, who was in the crease. The puck bounces of Desharnais' person and drops into the net. There's nothing that could have been done there.

The second goal against was just infuriating. Five Devils were bunched up at the left sideboards. Yanick Weber gets a shot on net from distance and Andrei Kostitsyn is right there at the crease. It was literally just Kostitsyn and Brodeur. The only way Brodeur could have prevented what eventually happened if he somehow knocked that puck into orbit. Kostitsyn had the time and space to get the rebound and do a spin move to get it around Brodeur. There was no help at all for the goaltender because the Devils were defending like children in their own end. It is inexcusable to leave anyone that open in that part of the ice in a 5-on-5 situation.

Then there was the third goal against. Kurtis Foster is forced behind the blueline into the neutral zone with the puck on a power play. He stupidly plays it soft off the boards off a turnaround pass. Since the Devils are trying to get on-sides, Hal Gill sees Tomas Plekanec wide open and hits him with a pass. Plekanec is off to the races and Brodeur comes up with a big right pad save to deny him the shorthanded goal. Foster backchecks to inexplicably pick up Plekanec, and no one else (it could have been you, Ilya Kovalchuk) is there to stop Darche from easily putting the rebound into the net.

Brodeur was beaten three times on second chances plays, which says more about how the guys in front of him played than Brodeur. If you want to believe he could have done better on any of those goals, then feel free to believe what you want. I just don't see it. Even if you're inclined to fault the goaltender for not being a literal brick wall, even the most cynical Devils fans have to admit that Brodeur made several key stops tonight. He denied Max Pacioretty early on when Montreal got a good scoring opportunity to start the game, and he did it again near the end of the first period in the slot. He got his body on a Kostitsyn shot off a 2-on-1 in the second period. Brodeur came up big on Rene Bourque when the winger overpowered Ponikarovsky to get a hard shot off from the high slot in the second period. After Zubrus tied up the game with his deflection, Brodeur absolutely robbed Tomas Plekanec in the slot a little over a minute later; and not long after that kept a second-chance shot by Josh Gorges out of the net. Brodeur's numbers may not look good; but tonight, he showed that he can definitely perform. Thankfully, the Devils skaters did not waste it and the offense made up for the earlier miscues tonight.

Poor Price: The first goal he allowed was simply terrible. Parise doesn't shoot from distance very often and Price just misplayed it. That one was on him. The other three really couldn't be put on him. Clarkson re-directed a Kovalchuk shot into the net; Zubrus tipped a Ponikarovsky shot in front of him; and Parise pounded his game winning goal on his flank. I'm a little sympathetic for him - but only a little since, you know, he was the opposing goaltender.

Attack Could Have Been Better: Furthering the notion that the Devils didn't really play like they were losing, the Devils' team Corsi was a -5 tonight. Some guys were just not effective at all in getting the play forward, like Matt Taormina (-6), Steve Bernier (-5), and Jacob Josefson (-4). Patrik Elias surprisingly struggled with a -4 and as the game went on, DeBoer wisely mixed up his lines. It made sense, it's not like the standard lines were getting the job done after putting up a mere 14 shots in 40 minutes in a game they were losing less than 5 minutes into the game. Also, the Devils went with 7 defensemen, which left 11 forwards. This meant Ryan Carter and Eric Boulton, among others, got shifted around a little bit. And I do mean little since both players didn't even play 7 minutes.

That said, the Devils did obtain success. After all, they scored 5 goals tonight. Parise got 3 shots and scored on two of them as did Clarkson, Kovalchuk led the team with 5 and contributed with two three assists, and Zubrus not only got a goal but ended up with the best Corsi value among regular Devils at +3. The main attackers hovered between -2 and +3, so they weren't horrid and all of those guys except for Clarkson played over 20 minutes. This should be of no surprise, the top six carries this team's offense. As much as I liked Kovalchuk turning it on after the first period (4 SOGs in second, 1 SOG in the third and set up GWG), Parise hustling forward, and Clarkson and Zubrus making things happen down low; they weren't dominant. But that's OK - they made it happen tonight. It would have been better if Elias and Petr Sykora - who actually did play tonight, believe it or not - did more.

Going forward, I really do want to see a good start from this team instead of needing to respond in the second period. I think the scorer shorted the Devils on a few shots in the first period, but 11-6 or 11-7 after one really isn't much better than 11-5. With two afternoon games coming up, it'll be important to get that sorted.

Faceoffs Were Off: The Devils went 27-54 on draws. That wasn't good. Josefson, Zubrus, and Elias were beaten soundly tonight, going 8-for-20, 7-for-16, and 4-for-14 respectively. That's another area the Devils should consider working on in the future.

Power Play Was Off Except for That One: The Devils did score a power play goal that began their comeback effort tonight. It was off a good play, where the Devils were set up in position and created a good opportunity to shoot. I have to highlight that because it was one of the few times the Devils did that tonight. On their four power plays, the Devils ended up with four shots on net. The Canadiens do have an excellent set of penalty killers like the Devils, so perhaps I shouldn't be surprised with their general noneffective play. What really bothers me is that the Montreal PK got four shorthanded shots on net! Two were bang-bang plays; Plekanec's breakaway was followed by Darche's rebound goal. Still, when the power play is conceding just as many shooting opportunities as they create, it means they didn't perform well. But hey, at least the Devils went a month in between shorthanded goals.

Kurtis Foster Was Off - Literally: Foster was just straight up bad tonight. He was one of the Devils on the ice that got bunched up and left Kostitsyn wide open to score. Foster created the shorthanded goal with a stupid, no-look, soft bounce off the boards and went after the wrong guy backchecking on that play. Foster was benched after that play and he completely deserved it. In 3:56 of even strength time, Foster managed a -3 in Corsi which is pretty heinous. Foster admitted in this postgame post by Gulitti that he was benched. I can understand why DeBoer would want to save some face for his performance; but I can appreciate Foster's honesty. He was bad and with seven defensemen playing, DeBoer was able to keep him on the bench for a majority of the game without seriously leaning on someone else. Taormina wasn't great but he should be considered as the #6 defender at this juncture.

I Hope It's Not Serious - Larsson Edition: Larsson was pounded tonight, but the one that sent him off came from a clean hit by P.K. Subban. I admit, I thought it was dirty at first and said so on Twitter; but I was wrong. I thought it was another cross-the-line moves by a Canadien, something witnessed by the thousands at the Rock this evening. But, no, I was mistaken. It was just hard and it caught the rookie off balance. After the game, Gulitti reported it was a lower back bruise. I hope that's all it is because the Devils can ill-afford to lose another 20+ minute defender. Especially if Foster keeps playing like he has been.

Fine, It Wasn't A Goal: The Devils seemingly got a second goal early in the second period. During a penalty kill, Kovalchuk was sprung through the neutral zone. He was forced to his backhand, and Price made the save. Or did he? The puck laid right on the goal line and wasn't really covered by the goaltender. There was no whistle and so Ponikarovsky charged in to knock it in. Price reacted as if it did; and one would think Ponikarovsky would have easily hit it the inch or so needed to make it count. Alas, the ref ruled no goal. After a review by Toronto, the call stood. While I and the Devils faithful certainly weren't happy about it, the reason was that the puck wasn't clearly seen over the line. Since the initial call was no goal, the lack of that kind of evidence meant the call wouldn't be overturned. It could have proven as a pivotal point in the game, especially since Montreal made it 3-1 not long after the Devils killed off Elias' boarding call. Fortunately, it did not come back to haunt the Devils.

Enforcer?: I've made no secret of my opinion about enforcers. For the sake of argument, let's put that aside. Given all that happened tonight, wouldn't a guy like Eric Boulton do something about what Montreal was doing physically tonight? If not, then what's his purpose on the team? Sure, Boulton wasn't too bad in his limited action; but if he was signed to be a tough/gritty player/enforcer, then we have to ask the question.

Iced: The Devils played with a little fire trying to get that empty net goal, but as it turned out, it wasn't an issue. The Devils got clearances and possession with little trouble when Montreal pulled Price. Montreal got nothing on Brodeur, they did little with the icing the Devils gifted and Tomas Kaberle gave the Devils a gift of an icing of their own not long afterwards. Clarkson sealed the game off and that's what a team needs to do when up a goal and the other team has six skaters. Funny how a 6-on-5 situation showed the Devils defending at their best this evening (PK too, I suppose, they were awesome too).

Scott Gomez Has No Goals: I figured I should end this recap with that reminder.

That's my take on tonight's game. What did you think of the Devils game? Did you see it as a long fight in the big picture as I did? If not, then how did tonight's game look to you? What do you think the Devils need improve upon in future games - get better starts, defend better, etc.? Who was the best Devil on the ice in your opinion? How did you react when Parise scored with 2:44 left to play? Outside of Foster and the fourth liners, who was the worst Devil on the ice in your view? Will the team have enough gas in the tank for a back-to-back set after two physical, up tempo games in a row? Please leave your answers and other thoughts on tonight's win in the comments. Thanks to everyone who attempted and did get into the Gamethread, and thanks to those who followed @InLouWeTrust during the game. Thank you for reading.

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The real turning point in this game...

…was when Foster got hurt.

The Habs are trying to be like the bruins and it’s down right adorable.

On a more serious note that was a very dirty game and the Devils showed real tenacity with such a come back.

by Sn0 on Feb 3, 2012 6:57 AM EST reply actions  

foster never got hurt, he was benched

"Its the letter D"

by Rory B. Bellows on Feb 3, 2012 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

He got stung I believe back in the first period but was able to return to the game. After his horrible play on the shorty, he was glued to the bench and I think we were all relieved.

His play was just atrocious and his defensive downside far outweighs anything he can do on the PP. On the Kostitsyn goal, as the RD, he should have been out by the crease to cover the man. On the shorty, not only did he have the lazy pass into the zone, but he could have done something with the puck after Brodeur bailed him out. Instead he just skated right past it and kept his stick away.

by Marty 4 Prez on Feb 3, 2012 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be surprised if Elias gets a call from Shanny. That hit was really dirty. If I was the ref I would of given a 5 and a game.

To add to that, PK Subban showing his inner Stevens. That hit was mammoth. Adam had a good game in my eyes, just kept getting laid out. The kid is tough.

Last point, a hard fought win. Always nice to see a come from behind win.

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by joshd12 on Feb 3, 2012 6:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Refs

There’s a balance to be struck between referreeing which allows the game to get physical and intense, and one which lets it go too far and it becomes chippy and dangerous.

I think the balance was off last night, and in particular I believe Elias’ boarding call came after several minutes of frustratingly dangerous (and uncalled) play on both sides. I believe it came not long after the boarding hit on Larsson.

Brodeur even got crashed more than a few times, though some were plausibly due to a Habs player getting pushed into him by a Devs D-man. I think they vaulted into him after contact but it’s hard to judge it in real time. But, it creates the impression that it’s a free-for-all out there.

That doesn’t excuse it, but it’s no surprise that physical play can snowball like that and get out of control.

Hopefully Shanahan gives the refs a call as well to make sure they call a tighter came and keep things in line next time. They were losing control there.

"Smart guy, that William Shakespeare."

by Alan Wright on Feb 3, 2012 7:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Further apologies

Apparently my recap got cut off. I assure you, I wrote more than this. This is what I get for an early morning post and not being careful. I’ll add the rest in later today.

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by John Fischer on Feb 3, 2012 7:39 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

I was going to leave a comment down here addressing the third period line changes in a little more detail, but I suspect this will be part of your completed recap.

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by Alamoth on Feb 3, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Foster 12

The strangest thing though, an hour or so after the game I was playing NHL 12 EA league. The only other guy on my team was a defenseman and his name was Kurtis Foster #2. I wondered If I had been playing with the actual Kurtis Foster because 1. Who in their right mind would want to construct their character as Kurtis Foster, 2, maybe after a rough game he like to hit up NHL 12, and 3. He was playing D and not to great. We still won though due to my 6 goals and one assist on Foster’s goal. But now I’m wondering if that was actually Foster, or some sad delusional Devils fan who thinks the world of him?

"Its the letter D"

by Rory B. Bellows on Feb 3, 2012 7:56 AM EST reply actions  

So Kufo went home to his apartment to play some Nintendo at 11 at night? I suppose that’s a good way to unwind after a game. In high school.

Interesting theory, but I doubt it. I’d much rather think he’s a professional: had a light snack and went to bed, etc.

"Smart guy, that William Shakespeare."

by Alan Wright on Feb 3, 2012 8:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Probably, but then he left the snack uncovered so it grew mold. And then he left the box of cereal uncovered, so now it’s stale. He also left his container of coffee uncovered, so now it’s gone bad, too.

by Marty 4 Prez on Feb 3, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

right after he hung his clothes out to dry.

I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.

by Murdoc on Feb 3, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Methinks the gentlemen doth double entendre too much.

"Smart guy, that William Shakespeare."

by Alan Wright on Feb 3, 2012 8:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Quick Takes

I’ve seen a lot of chatter on how Elias should be suspended…. and I just don’t see it. Here’s a guy who has been in the League for 15 years and never had a run-in with Supplemental Discipline. No fines, no suspensions, nothing. With everything else that Brendan Shanahan has let slide recently, I don’t see how he can reasonably justify a suspension for Patty. Yes, the hit was bad and the sort of thing you want to get out of the game. Yes, Blunden did not return to the game and is now listed as “day-to-day” by Montreal. I just put all that together, roll in how rough-and-tumble the game was and how much the referees allowed to slide in general…. and I think a fine and a warning is more justified given Elias’ (non) history.

Better lucky than good some nights. I don’t know that PDB and the Devils’ coaching staff could draw up those goals last night on the markerboard. Parise’s first goal was so soft that it appears next to “Plush Toy” in the dictionary. Clarkson’s first goal was a double-deflection that obliged a call to Toronto. Parise’s second goal required Kovy to fan on a shot just right, and Clarkson’s second goal went into the empty net. Only Zubrus’ goal seemed “normal”, and yet deflections are often a matter of happenstance more than anything else.

David Clarkson had one heck of a night, and filled up a lot of columns on the stat sheet. Two goals, an assist, drew a penalty, took a penalty, had three shots on goal, plus a game-high 8 hits. I think this is the kind of player we’ve always thought Clarkson could be. So why wasn’t he one of the game’s Three Stars as awarded by the media?

You know who didn’t suck out there tonight? Eric Boulton. Sure, he didn’t see the ice once DeBoer shortened the bench in the third period, but I never once screamed at my television questioning why Boulton was on the ice. He was effective when he did play — there was some offensive generated, and he had 6 hits in a mere 6:48 of ice time.

Was that Clarkson’s first career empty-net goal? I can’t recall his being out there in similar situations in the past…. although he absolutely earned it tonight. Puck Daddy’s List of Seven yesterday were 7 players who have never scored an ENG, including (surprise!) Travis Zajac…. of course, the guy at #1 on his list (Claude Giroux of Philadelphia) promptly scored one last night to wreck Wysh’s exposition.

by acasser on Feb 3, 2012 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

I think you’re being a little too picky on the goals. This kind of stuff happens against us all the time, including the first goal last night. I’m glad that we’re putting ourselves in position for these things to happen and finally starting to get some of these bounces.

by HouseRich on Feb 3, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

A little harsh, yes. The second, third, and fourth NJ goals can just as easily be credited to players being in the right place — it is always preached to go to the net and pick up “garbage” goals that way, and tonight the Devils did that very well.

As for the first goal, that’s squeeze-the-Charmin soft. Steve and Chico were even laughing during the broadcast about it, and about how Carey Price at one point told Parise “you’re welcome for the gift goal”. Had Marty allowed that goal and the GameThread been accessible at the time, the Moose advocates would have treated us to several pages of opinion on the matter.

All in all, it was nice to have a game where the Devils were outplayed but got the bounces and won. We’ve had far too many games this season where the Devils were the better team and had little to show for it thanks to serendipitous luck.

by acasser on Feb 3, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't at the game

But the crowd looked impressive and really into the game. Great job to those of you who were there. Lets keep the Rock packed and enthusiastic.

by sthompson1984 on Feb 3, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Only 13,000

I shouldn’t complain but that’s a pathetic showing though it looked better on TV. I know it’s Montreal on a Thursday night but that’s not impressive. Something’s not working.

by Marv95 on Feb 3, 2012 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

I attribute a lot of the attendance problems to the economic downturn. There are also those who – out of a political opposition to public financing of stadiums and a dislike/ distrust of Newark – have no confidence that downtown Newark will rebound and have take a political stance against attending games. (I know, personally, of two people who have been swayed by one-sided “talk radio” politics to drop either their season tickets or ticket-buying. That’s fine. They sometimes oppose state subsides for other industries, and I close my wallet to companies I oppose on ethical or policy grounds. In sum, some people don’t like the Newark arena).

"Smart guy, that William Shakespeare."

by Alan Wright on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I would agree about the economic downturn part of your statement. I’d be really surprised and disappointed if there were that many people that are not coming out because of political issues. I get the fear of Newark part, but going to a few games should solve that, although it’s easy for me to say that having grown up in Jersey City (not the best area either).

by HouseRich on Feb 3, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

It's been 4 years now

The Newark crap is just a lame excuse. Are people afraid to go to Detroit at night for games? St. Louis? Even better, the South Bronx or Flushing in the summer? Keep in mind they only drew 11,000 the home game after Julien was canned. This was at the dump but this was when the Devils were competing for a President’s Trophy. The economy is also a lame excuse as well; hasn’t hurt all these markets nationwide from full arenas, even the poorer teams.

It’s simply Devils’ related. This was a “classic” priced game after all(avg. cost higher than last year’s overall).

by Marv95 on Feb 3, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think some people stay away because of Newark – would I say a high number? No, but I bet there are Devils fans who don’t attend games because they’re in Newark. The economy is a legitimate excuse – that’s going to depress the numbers further. Then you’ve got the fact that this is game 5 of a homestand.

It’s not good and it should be better, but there you have it.

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by Triumph44 on Feb 3, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Marv that both excuses are “lame” because they’re incomplete and somewhat unconvincing. But, they may still be true. The 2 people I know who “protest” don’t support the Tea Party directly their rhetoric reflects the TP’s concerns about public financing of stadiums, etc. Maybe it’s just a cover for their hatred (fear?) of Newark or their own economic problems (if any). I don’t know.

"Smart guy, that William Shakespeare."

by Alan Wright on Feb 3, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet those are the same “fans” who have no issues going to the South Bronx or Flushing Queens I bet. Hypocrites. Even if it was a “high” number I don’t think it’s enough to make a big difference. If it was why are they drawing 1,000 more than they did in their last 2 years at the Swamp when they were nearly a Cup contender?

The economy for some reason hasn’t hurt the Sharks, Kings, Blues, Pens, most NFL teams, etc. But I agree with the long homestand.

by Marv95 on Feb 3, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s not get carried away, the Devils were not a Cup contender their last two years in the Swamp. ESPECIALLY not in 05-06 when they won a million straight to take the division, that team stunk coming out of the gate.

People go to the Bronx and to Flushing because that’s where they have to go to see their baseball teams play. That wasn’t always the case with the Devils.

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by Triumph44 on Feb 3, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

As to Bronx/ Queens, well that’s New York baseball for you. In New York, baseball gets more media attention (aka free advertising) than politics or war.

The Sharks benefit from Silicon Valley, the Pens have the Crosby Bump and the Lord Stanley Bump, and the Kings are in the 2nd largest metropolitan area in the country.

Each of those, I think, contribute to their recent financial success. I’m not sure how the Blues do it…

Actually, the Pens were in dire financial straits at least two times. On the first occasion, they lost games intentionally so they could draft Mario Lemieux in 1984. By 1992 they won two Cups and they made the playoffs for the rest of the decade.

On the second occasion, their poor showings (amid several years of financial trouble) landed them Marc-Andre Fleury in 2003 (1st overall), Evgeni Malkin in 2004 (2nd overall, 1 behind Ovechkin), and then the Sidney Crosby draft lottery in 2005 (1st overall of course) after several years of financial trouble. All three have been prospects which have panned out, stabilizing their franchise and leading to their hockey success.

The Devils haven’t had such draft-luck, where they had the chance to pick the prospects.

"Smart guy, that William Shakespeare."

by Alan Wright on Feb 3, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

St. Louis has always been a good hockey town – they don’t have a basketball team.

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by Triumph44 on Feb 3, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

True!

In this area there are two basketball teams that don’t matter much (despite the hype) and three hockey teams… on top of the other sports. There’s enough population density to support several teams but it’s strained by the geographic split (Manhattan and Brooklyn being most densely-populated) and the demographic reality (ice hockey is both unfamiliar and prohibitively expensive to millions of area residents and immigrants).

Whereas the Devils and Nets relied on suburbanites coming into Newark after work, the Rangers and Knicks can collect fans among those who never made it home after work in the first place and Penn Station might be on their way home.

So, when Panasonic moves its North American HQ to Newark (late 2012) and builds its new building there (late 2014?), I hope there will be bump in ticket sales.

"Smart guy, that William Shakespeare."

by Alan Wright on Feb 3, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You nailed a major reason for Rags / Knicks support. I had the “pleasure” of attending a Rags game at The World’s Most Overrated Arena a few weeks ago. Lots of people in suits. When you’re ride home is literally 100 feet under you, it’s a very easy pit stop.

That being said, Penn Station (Newark) isn’t exactly a $20 cab ride awway from The Rock.

by HouseRich on Feb 3, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

If you walk up to the Gateway center, you’re only outside for about 2 minutes.

Then again, I wouldn’t want my suit to be in the same presence as commoners.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 3, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if the suits work downtown or midtown.

Lots of people in finance wake up at maybe 5am or 6am because trading opens at 9:30am and closes at 4pm. Obviously some work in finance goes 24-7 or is geared to Tokyo/ Hong Kong, London, or Chicago Mercantile hours. Going to a Rangers game would be a long day for day traders.

Law keeps more regular business hours, though they run later. Advertising/ marketing on Madison Avenue and fashion can do the same.

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by Alan Wright on Feb 3, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing of it is, half the time arenas are in crap neighborhoods. They get the land for almost nothing, and try and rehab the area. While Pittsburgh’s hockey arenas have been in unremarkable neighborhoods, Three Rivers and now Heinz Field and PNC Park are on the North Side of Pittsburgh. If you dont know, up until a few years ago, and arguably atleast partially because of the stadiums, the North Side was a place I didnt like to go without my .45. It aint so bad now.

Staples Center, if you havent been there. Not a bad area immediately around the arena. Go a few blocks in either direction, youre in not so good neighborhoods again.

Fearing Prudential is idiocy. You park right next to the arena, and walk 100 yard to the game, through an area with a million cops.

by Chris Calabrese on Feb 3, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the arenas with the best attendance % in the US and Canada are either:

  • historical hockey powerhouses (Toronto, Montreal, Detroit, arguably even Philadelphia).
  • other Canadian cities (Calgary, Vancouver, Ottawa, Winnipeg, Edmonton, etc).
  • American cities with recent, franchise-turnaround success (Chicago, Boston, Pittsburgh).
  • large American metropolitan areas (New York, Chicago, Boston, Los Angeles)
  • or some American cities which have no recent, meaningful success in other fall/ winter sports (Washington Capitals, St. Louis Blues) and are large enough to have their own local media.

The Devils seem to be an a perfectly stormful abyss: a non-city with weaker local mass media outlets amid other local sports performers (Giants, Yankees, and this year the Rangers).

"Smart guy, that William Shakespeare."

by Alan Wright on Feb 3, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is to say:

As a market, the Devils are a small market in a large metropolitan area. Local news channels are overwhelmingly made in New York and cater their sports coverage to the “New York” teams: Giants, Yanks, Rangers, Knicks.

I think it’s only natural – though unfortunate – that it’s harder for the Devils to generate buzz in the fanbase. Fortunately, in the era of social media/ Youtube/ NHL.com videos, and ILWT the Devils fans themselves can create the buzz for themselves.

"Smart guy, that William Shakespeare."

by Alan Wright on Feb 3, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Their loss.

Again, I walk out of a subway in the central ward at 10 p.m. every home game. Never have a problem, never see a problem.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 3, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

It saddens me to say it, but there’s still some white folks that are scared of black folks. True story!

I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.

by Murdoc on Feb 3, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

So you guys know, the Devils website uses a French word to describe the game last night.

Prepare to get super mad/annoyed.

by SatanicStickholders on Feb 3, 2012 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

oh no they didn’t!

/shakes fist

I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.

by Murdoc on Feb 3, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah the devils attendance has been lacking lately, but that should change this week considering all of the division rival games.

"Its the letter D"

by Rory B. Bellows on Feb 3, 2012 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

Not really.

3rd best January average at the Rock (15,472) – which is right in the middle of the pack (5 seasons). Only 2 weekend games and a lot of Tuesday games hurt this number. So it’s actually not that bad. This past December was the best December at the Rock (16,071). Credit a lot of weekend games, Nieds night, and a Rangers game.

that should change this week considering all of the division rival games

There’s only one divisional game coming up at home and it’s on Super Bowl Sunday. This February should be interesting. It contains 5 weekend games (2 weekday) and 3 games against Western Conference teams. Factor in that in the past two seasons, a storm usually comes through and wrecks havoc on the numbers.

If I’m the Devils – I’m happy with the turnout this season so far (at 25 home games – this season also ranks 3rd out of 5 seasons at the Rock). I say so far becuase the on-ice product should get better and the playoff race should attract fans.

A new ticket deal – playoff race package. Every game vs. a team within 5 pts of the Devils (currently). That’s 5 games (2 vs. PIT, FLA, TOR, OTT). It’s basically a 5 game package but promote that fact that the Devils are battling with these teams. Get on it Devils!

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by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Alot of bandwagons in new jersey. Dont say newark is a bad place to go. I live in southwest detroit and there are tons of ppl that go to games here. Newark or any part ny/nj is hevan compared to detroit.

by kovy71 on Feb 3, 2012 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

And Joe Louis Arena – though it’s in downtown Detroit (which is even more abandoned than Newark and has less access to public transit) is a dated, late 1970s arena that looks just like the Devils’ old Brendan Byrne/ Continental Airlines arena.

"Smart guy, that William Shakespeare."

by Alan Wright on Feb 3, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Alot of bandwagons in new jersey

Attendance has been pretty consistent however the Devils were playing during the regular season. The golden years of attendance were from 94-94 to 98-99 (16k+ every season…97-98 saw 17k+). Attendance dropped 9.8% for the 1999-2000 season and 7.3% for the 02-03 season. It’s been in the 15k’s and some 14k’s since then.

One thing is for sure though – the Devils will sell out every playoff game. They have for all 10 games at the Rock.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 3, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Kovalchuk led the team with 5 and contributed with two assists

3 assists for Kovy last night John.

Since 2 games I feel like a Rangers fans, it’s winning games without deserving any credit for it.

Seriously, we’ve been pretty lucky the last 2 games.

"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"

by Elektrostal_Kid on Feb 3, 2012 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

Good teams know how to win without playing their best.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 3, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

blah blah blah, com'on give me some sabremetrics instead

"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"

by Elektrostal_Kid on Feb 3, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

devilmetrics

"Smart guy, that William Shakespeare."

by Alan Wright on Feb 3, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, so he did! I forgot he got the secondary assist on Parise’s first goal. I’ll fix it soon. Thanks for catching my error.

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by John Fischer on Feb 3, 2012 10:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

And FINALLY, Pete Deboer has seen something special between Elias and Kovy.
- Even the game before that, Elias fed `Kovy’ for the game-tying goal against the Rangers.

He plans to keep Patty on the top line for tomorrow actually.

"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"

by Elektrostal_Kid on Feb 3, 2012 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

the reason nobody comes to newark

<img src=“”http://www.flickr.com/photos/75938214@N08/6814885211/" title=“lion king and newark by tessl23, on Flickr”>lion king and newark"/>

by tess sarracino on Feb 3, 2012 9:48 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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